OK College Football Fans, Now What? Oregon Lost!!

[theantiquetiger]

Wanna read a funny post, read my opening post of this topic!!!

[csstuba]

Go ILLINI. Tonight, the CHIEF looks down with a rose between his teeth.

Mizzou getting overlooked is a crock of spit.
Imagine if baseball started to conduct its late season this way. Or any other sport for that matter. Every other division of college football has a playoff......why not award one to its highest division?

[toys2cool]

Wanna read a funny post, read my opening post of this topic!!!

LOL! good call

It's really hard to pick when there's a 4 way tie.I do think USC is the hotter team right now,but their strength of schedule was kind of weak.

Oh by the way,I see Georgia destroying and embarrassing the hell out of Hawaii ,but I'm glad they finally got some well deserved credit

[theantiquetiger]

This is how I see it between LSU, VT, OK, & USC

LSU lost two to teams with winning records (8-4 & 7-5)

VT lost to teams with winning records (11-2 & 10-3)

USC lost to teams with one winning and one losing record (4-8 & 8-4) plus the loss to Stanford was one of the biggest upsets in college football

OK lost to teams with one winning record and one with .500 record (6-6 & 8-4)

This gives VT the advantage, but LSU beat them by 41 points earlier in the season. This is how I think it was a tie between LSU & VT.

After that, strength of schedules were pretty close, so the head to head match up gave LSU the nod for the NC game.

[joshvox]

Tiger, I hope the Rose Bowl is evenly matched, but I seriously doubt it. A big ten team goes out there and gets whipped again this year I think. Illinois is decent, but they can't play with USC the way they are playing right now. West Virginia has been suspect all year, I guess if the offense that dropped 66 on UConn shows up, they have a chance against OK, but Oklahoma is far and away the better team in my opinion. I still think every BCS bowl game has the potential to be an absolute joke.

As far as who should be in the title game, I think it probably should have been Virginia Tech after reviewing a few things this evening. They were ranked ahead of LSU last week, and won their title game, lost to ranked teams (unlike LSU) and played about the same strength of schedule. No way should LSU have jumped them in the rankings--just no way. You can argue they should have jumped Georgia and Kansas for several reasons--but there is no argument in my opinion that they should have jumped Va Tech. Yes, LSU stomped them earlier this year, but Mizzou beat Kansas and they got in while Mizzou does not, so that argument isn't very convincing to me.

[Hulk]

I would love to see Ohio State being used by the SEC as its whipping boy in back to back National Championship games. They could become the NY Giants (or is it Buffalo Bills) of the college football world, always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

A) LSU may have been around college football almost as long, but they don't have the tradition that Ohio State does in college football.

B) The Buffalo Bills are who you are likely referencing, as they lost 4 Superbowls in a row, including one to the Giants.

C) The Giants have won 6 NFL titles, including a 2-1 record in the Superbowl.

D) I'm betting New Orleans Saints fans would be happy to have appeared in 4 Superbowls, yet consecutive ones. But oh yeah, they are one of only 6 teams not to make it to the big dance.

[theantiquetiger]

A) LSU may have been around college football almost as long, but they don't have the tradition that Ohio State does in college football.

B) The Buffalo Bills are who you are likely referencing, as they lost 4 Superbowls in a row, including one to the Giants.

C) The Giants have won 6 NFL titles, including a 2-1 record in the Superbowl.

D) I'm betting New Orleans Saints fans would be happy to have appeared in 4 Superbowls, yet consecutive ones. But oh yeah, they are one of only 6 teams not to make it to the big dance.

The Bills is what I was talking about, the four in a row.

If you think LSU is not rich in football tradition, you are very wrong. LSU has been playing football for over 100 years and other than the 90's, they have been a powerhouse year in and year out.

Ohio State does have five more National Championships than LSU and have been a powerhouse year in and year out as well. They are very similar schools when it comes to football. They have always been playing in the shadow of another great team (Alabama & Michigan).

Ohio State has the great history of Woody Hayes.

LSU is the 12th most winning programs in the nation with 691 (.635), Ohio State has 808 (.69)

As for the Saints, I can really care less about pro-football, I am not a pro-football fan. But if you are throwing stones at home teams, the Cards is one of the biggest jokes in the NFL.

[Marvelmania]

And LSU jumped ahead of Georgia because of why? Remember that according to the BCS a conference championship doesn't matter.
IF Hawaii beats Georgia then they deserve at least a share of the NC. I don't care what the BCS says. Undefeated is undefeated. A perfect record trumps all.

[theantiquetiger]

And LSU jumped ahead of Georgia because of why?

I am guessing LSU jumped GA because of another win against a top 25 team and GA was idle, not because GA didn't win the conference. Losing ground in the polls when you are idle is not uncommon. I can understand LSU jumping GA, I don't understand LSU jumping VT, but I am not complaining.

I watched several shows last night, and all the "experts" are saying the two correct teams made it to the NC game. LSU has never been a media daring, and the media says it is correct.

This year, VT was "America's Team", due to the shooting and all. They were the media daring (along with USC, as always).

I am also guessing the final BCS W/L was a major factor as well:

LSU 4-0:
VT #3 win
FLA #12 win
Tenn #16 win
Aub #23 win

VT 3-2:
LSU #2 loss
BC #14 win/loss
Clemson #15 win
VA #20 win

OK 3-0:
Mizzou #6 win/win
Tx #19 win

USC 1-0:
Az St #11 win

LSU is undefeated against final top 25 teams with 4 wins against 4 diff teams.

OK is undefeated as well, but only 3 wins against 2 teams

VT 3 wins and 2 losses against 4 teams

USC only had one top 25 win


If you also look at this, Ohio State only had one final top 25 team, and they lost (#13 Illinois)

Georgia is 2-1 against final top 25 teams

After I have been breaking all this down for the last few hours, I do see why LSU made it. You have to look at the entire season, not just the last 4 weeks.

[toys2cool]

I agree with that Tim,if Hawaii does win they have a strong case,

But guys what's done is done,I personally hate both OSU and LSU but come on that should be a great game,so let's just see what happens

LSU is Tigers team and he's doing what any real fan would do and defend it,So let's cut him some slack

[theantiquetiger]

LSU is Tigers team and he's doing what any real fan would do and defend it,So let's cut him some slack

I didn't see anything where some one was dogging LSU (other than Hulk's stupid rantard).

Like I have been saying all along, if I had a vote in the Coach's Poll or Harris Poll, I would have gave mine to VT.

Most people are complaining about the system, not LSU, and I have not once taken offense about someone saying LSU shouldn't be there.

I would love to see some stats backing why who should be there. From what I have produced so far, it looks like LSU and VT deserve it more then Ohio State (on paper only). Ohio State deserves it, don't you think I think that.

Show me something why OK, USC, Hawaii, Mizzou, Ks, or GA deserve it.

A few people think LSU is not that good right now. We did just beat a Top 25 team with basically half of our second string in a Championship game.

[saildog]

Most people are complaining about the system, not LSU, and I have not once taken offense about someone saying LSU shouldn't be there.

My complaint was definitely with the system and not that LSU was undeserving.

I don't have any problem at all with LSU being in there because, according to the agreed upon system, they got the most points. However, it is likely that parity will keep the BCS in turmoil year in and year out and this whole argument will repeat with even more intricate scenarios.

[Marvelmania]

LSU is Tigers team and he's doing what any real fan would do and defend it,So let's cut him some slack

Yeah! Let's talk about how bad Miami is .... Just messing with you D. Actually I like LSU. My problem is with the BCS. Seeing such a jump up for LSU plus then KU and WV getting in BCS games then Mizzou being outed just makes no sense to me. Mind you I know I'm in the minority on this. Of course I'll keep complaining about the BCS until a playoff system is in place and then I'll probably still be complaining

GO HAWAII!!!!!!

[Hulk]

FYI Tigger, I wasn't dogging LSU as much as pointing out how ridiculous is was to compare OSU to the Buffalo Bills, just because they might lose a second game to an SEC opponent.

And never said they don't have a rich football tradition, but when you want to make them out to be possible SEC whipping boys, recognize those 7 national Championships.

PS - I am a known Giants fan, hence my defense of them. In my eyes, the Cardinals are still a St. Louis team, and my only regret is that they aren't still in the NFC East for Big Blue to beat up on.



Anyway, the BCS system sucks as a whole. A playoff system is the only way to approximate a National Champion. Either that or maybe they should let some video game company plug in all the variables and run a mock game. It'd be about as accurate, and people would still probably watch the thing on TV.

[theantiquetiger]

FYI Tigger, I wasn't dogging LSU as much as pointing out how ridiculous is was to compare OSU to the Buffalo Bills, just because they might lose a second game to an SEC opponent.

Ohio State is 0-8 against SEC teams in bowl games....

SEC whipping boy!!!!

My comparison to the Bills (actually I did it to the Giants by mistake) was just a joke (smack talk). This comparison shows I don't care much about the NFL. I couldn't tell you who won the last 5 Superbowls with out Google.