Shoplifter strangled to death by clerk for stealing...crayons?

[toys2cool]

I have absolutely no sympathy for thieves...I don't care if he tried stealing a million dollars...or a pack of bubble gum...and no good worthless thief is no longer on Earth...that's good news to me.

Dam Hec that's a bit rough bro, so you're saying if a kid steals let's say a box of crayons and gets killed it's okay cause it's one less thief?

I hate thieves as well, but not for something like this...breaking into a home,snatching an old ladies purse,stealing a car or robbing someone at gun point yes. But stupid **** like crayons or tooth paste or anything at CVS I don't think so

[Joe90]

I was told a story once about a young Marine who accidently killed his sister while showing her some of the holds he learned in Hand to Hand Combat training. A lot of those holds are considered aggressive. That may factor into any judgement that could come down if this goes to trial.

I realize that the the deceased was black, but was unaware of any mention of the skin colour of the security guard, or investigating Police Officer. Would it change the dynamic of the situation -- and the investigation -- if they were black? I would hope not. The reason why I ask is because of a taser incident here in Canada. The Police were white, the victim was white; there was no need to put forth racial intolerance as a motive. It was ruled as a use of inappropriate force.

This choking situation definitely needs to be investigated.

[jp1969]

The fact is, the guys dead.
The clerk killed him.
Is subduing a thief in a strangle hold reasonable?
What was the off duty cop doing while this was happening?
Having a chuckle?
For sure details that might change opinions are lacking from this small article.
Working in a store does not exempt you from being a whacko.
Personally,I would not return to a store that had a murderer as a clerk.
This is my 2 cents worth.
Spend them any way you like.

[Meule]

Well, for once I actually agree with Lonnie. Whether you steal bubble gum, tooth paste or a million dollars, stealing doesn't justify getting killed over it. Whatever the clerks intentions he's at least guilty of manslaughter and he'll most likely do jail time. And all that over crayons and tooth paste.

[mrwisker]

Yikes...nuff said

[Bill]

Was he a professional or trained to restrain somebody in a stranglehold? Probably not.

You're like some kinda strange performance art; I know it's going on, but I can't quite see it clearly in my mind.

[Hector]

I have absolutely no sympathy for thieves...I don't care if he tried stealing a million dollars...or a pack of bubble gum...and no good worthless thief is no longer on Earth...that's good news to me.

[huedell]

So what does the crime he committed (manslaughter) get him? If he killed somebody for stealing, he was committing a crime.
Was he a professional or trained to restrain somebody in a stranglehold? Probably not.

Manslaughter is also a crime!

Yes it is...but the degree of how that will be applied to this situation
has yet to be determined.

It is apparent, however, that the clerk didn't just approach some random guy
and then killed him. He approached a guy who was in the process of
comitting a criminal act. My guess is that when this clerk approached this
shoplifter, he wasn't thinking "That guy's stealing stuff...I'm going to kill him
for it." He was merely acting against a criminal in the heat of the moment.
Involuntary manslaughter?

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a certain amount of charges against this
guy...but, in my opinion, from what I've heard so far, his actions were more
than justified. Its like what I said earlier about a robber coming into your home...if you shoot him dead...I guess you may be liable for something
but what you did, as "extreme" as it was, still makes perfect sense.

[LonnieFisher]

So what does the crime he committed (manslaughter) get him? If he killed somebody for stealing, he was committing a crime.
Was he a professional or trained to restrain somebody in a stranglehold? Probably not.

[LonnieFisher]

Manslaughter is also a crime!

[huedell]

If you invited someone into your home and they grabbed a box of crayons and toothpaste and bolted out the front door what would you do?
A)Chase them down and choke them.
B)Shoot them in the back.
C)Call the cops.
D)Scratch your head and say "***?".
E)None of the above.
Just curious...

None of the hypothetical questions you're asking in this thread have anything to do with the situation.

It wasn't my home, and it wasn't some guy stealing toothpaste/crayons from
it...

...however, you can BET that there are some on this board who would
shoot and kill an intruder/burglar in their home and feel justified in doing so...

And, you know what? I'd say they did an appropriate thing. Maybe not
the "nicest" thing, but that's not unreasonable.

You keep posting things as if this was some fantasy world where everything goes according to good and evil and a black and white way...that's not realistic.

You feel bad a guy got killed while shoplifting....that doesn't make the killing wrong.

[LonnieFisher]

If you invited someone into your home and they grabbed a box of crayons and toothpaste and bolted out the front door what would you do?
A)Chase them down and choke them.
B)Shoot them in the back.
C)Call the cops.
D)Scratch your head and say "***?".
E)None of the above.
Just curious...

[huedell]

anyway you put it, the guy was taking cvs items not robbing some at gun point or taking old ladies purse, he should've let the guy go....he took a mans life and he should be held accountable...

Thing is, being "held accountable" by many people's view on the argument,
doesn't mean the exact same thing...you can bet that you and I would be differing in opinion...so phrases like "anyway you put it..." don't really hold
water in that it gets divided up into opinion...that's why there's laws
and jurys and such to suss all this out.

My "opinion" is that this guy was doing what he thought was right at the time dealing with a shoplifter aka "a guy who was doing a criminal act"...what happened in the heat of the moment may or may not be justifiable...
but I'm nopt going to rush to judgement on a guy acting out against
a shoplifter no matter how small the crime is to the naked eye.

[MIB41]

[QUOTE=ODBJBG;535794]I've never known any store to require you to take out a "robber" and any major chain's policy would be to leave the person alone. You can call the cops or catch them in the act, but once you get to physically assaulting them... It's off limits.
QUOTE]

I'm sure, but you know it will be covered. Company's have this type of language in ther policies to protect them against charges that could occurr due to their employees acting inappropriately.

[ODBJBG]

I've never known any store to require you to take out a "robber" and any major chain's policy would be to leave the person alone. You can call the cops or catch them in the act, but once you get to physically assaulting them... It's off limits.

No matter what the guy was stealing, if he wasn't posing a threat, the clerk really shouldn't have attempted to choke him out.

Sounds like a basic case of manslaughter. That's what manslaughter is for.

Obviously both parties would take partial blame here, this wouldn't have happened if the guy hadn't stole some crayons, but this also wouldn't have happened if the clerk hadn't overreacted. That's a two way street.

You walk into a Police Station with guns blazing, it's your fault if you get killed. You knew that was possible. If you steal some crayons and get strangled to death, the death part isn't your fault. It can't be. No one can reasonably believe that a clerk will strangle you if you steal some crayons form CVS.


Well at least not until now.