Shoplifter strangled to death by clerk for stealing...crayons?

[megocrazy]

This thread has gone on real long....

I love a good debate.

[Hector]

This thread has gone on real long....

Mainly thanks to you...

[huedell]

Some keep bringing up the dollar amount of the goods as if it means something. Not to me it doesn't...where's that "line" supposed to be drawn
anyway? Stealing is stealing. And from what I can see, all the clerk was
trying to do was hold him until the proper authorities could deal with the
"stealing" situation.

Some keep bringing up the guys' exact job description as if it means
something. Not to me it doesn't...the guy works in the store and apparently
was trying to protect the store's interests.

You also bring up that it was murder, as if it was "murder" clean cut...
but this kind of "heat of the moment thing" isn't premeditated....its the result
of a guy figuring it was okay to steal and escape...the clerk disagreed
with that and reacted....now, do I think the clerk is innocent of EVERYTHING?
no, but I certainly can't see why he should be villified.

This thread has gone on real long....and I thought I must've addressed
everything I just said in this post already earlier in the thread,
but I thought I'd jump right back in and "catch up".

[Hector]

because he's paid to ring people up not be a security guard

Security guards are not allowed to strangle people either...

[Hector]

oh hell yeah, but that's different..that's endangering my wife

stealing $6 worth of stuff from a store is nothing,hell how many of us can honestly say they've never stolen something?

No.

The question was what if a thief stole your wife's purse?

There's no harm to her physically..just her purse being stolen.

You'd kill the guy...

Sorry...you can't have it both ways...

[toys2cool]

Reasons to get into a physical altercation :

1 - life or death = it's you or them
2 - in defense of your person, a loved one, relative or friend
3- it's your job - police, security officer, military service , boxer,mma etc.

All else is macho b.s. - material objects can be replaced.

exactly J

[Evel KMego]

Reasons to get into a physical altercation :

1 - life or death = it's you or them
2 - in defense of your person, a loved one, relative or friend
3- it's your job - police, security officer, military service , boxer,mma etc.

All else is macho b.s. - material objects can be replaced.

[toys2cool]

It's like this, if you see a jacking an old lady or a woman would you try and help? probably, I know I would

now if you see a guy stealing toothpaste or crayons would you try and stop him? I doubt it, you'd probably just laugh it up ...why? because it's nothing to you, you know it's only the store losing $6

[toys2cool]

No...Damien would run after him...catch him...and kill him right there on the spot...

oh hell yeah, but that's different..that's endangering my wife

stealing $6 worth of stuff from a store is nothing,hell how many of us can honestly say they've never stolen something?

[toys2cool]

How do you let someone steal something from a place your employed and do nothing.

because he's paid to ring people up not be a security guard

[Hector]

Something to think about, if someone stole your wife's hand bag in Times Square would the first words out of your mouth as he ran away be "Stop that person"

No...Damien would run after him...catch him...and kill him right there on the spot...

[megocrazy]

I'm serious man, it's freakin toothpaste and crayons....I don't get it,how people could justify this

It's not a matter of justifying it. It isn't that I think the guy should have died for stealing crayons and toothpaste. But IMO I can't understand how so many can say the clerk was wrong for doing something. How do you let someone steal something from a place your employed and do nothing.

I'm not saying fight off an armed man but not subduing a man that is caught red handed and then resists 4 people on top of it. I really can't figure it out.

Something to think about, if someone stole your wife's hand bag in Times Square would the first words out of your mouth as he ran away be "Stop that person". I would certainly hope your first expectation would not be for a stranger to help return something that wasn't their own property. I'm guessing anyone against the clerks initial pursuit, would be content to be silent, do nothing physical, and file a police report on it, hoping they find who did it.

Somehow I doubt thats how it would go down for anybody, and if the guy was say not fast, or not large in stature, a good amount of you would pursue him if you believed there was any chance of catching and stopping him.

So you reach the point of catching him and he resists. What now? You never asked to be put in the situation. You certainly had no thought of injuring someone today, much less killing them. But the situation turns tragic. Are you guilty? Or just someone that was thrust into a situation, they didn't want to be in, that became more than initially expected.

If they hadn't stolen the bag in the first place it never would have occurred. So are you guilty, innocent, or busy filing a police report?

[bizzaro megomauler]

If they were new mattel retro figs i would have strangled him too.
In all seriousness, this is just plain stupid, for all parties involved.

[Hector]

Murder shouldn't have a second chance.

Thank you!

[Hector]

You steal you go and have a finger surgically removed. The cost of sugery done humanly is far less then supporting said person through jail time. And honestly no one gets any kind of help in jail.

The next theft they lose the hand. They can still work and function in society with one hand. and I'm sure they will think twice after the finger.

Rape ... surgical castration. Sex offenders cannot be cured. Meds only work if you actually take them.

Murder. First offense or one person. Jail time with option of parole. Second offense or more then one body. Death

And yes I did what I did and would take a similar appropriate punishment

Ok...I'm going to go out and murder someone...it will be my first offense...I'll get out in a few years...thanks for granting me a guaranteed parole, buddy...