Batman's fate in Final Crisis #6--MAJOR SPOILERS

[Cosmicman]

^^^ Now Cat is copying and pasting his own posts like we didn't read it the first time.

I know! I think my idea is what is going to happen. You all think I am crazy. You watch!

[ScottA]

OK. Now that he's gone do you think it will send same shock waves through the DCU like Supermans death did? Will we have a funeral for a friend story, Catwoman confessing her love for Bruce at his grave, Superman really ****ed off and going after Darkseid for killing his best friend and the Joker going "sane" since someone else killed Batman and not him?

Now I haven't read a comic in years so I have no idea what's going on in the DCU. I read a little of 52 and Countdown but that's been about it so I have no idea about some of the stories you guys have mentioned. Just wondering how it plays out in the DCU before they bring him back.

[Riffster]

Bats took on Darksied in JLU handled himself nicely i might add

[Earth 2 Chris]

Okay look at it this way. Of the major comic characters, Batman was the closest that came to a character you could actually be. Sure,most of us aren't rich, but if you trained as he did, had access to the gadgets, etc, you could BE Batman. That's one of his main appeals. Sure you'd be arrested, and institutionalized if you tried to fight crime in a bat suit, but you could do it. You can't be from Krypton. You can't get bitten by a radioactive spider and get it's abilities.

Sure Batman has fought out-of-this-world menaces for years, but they never violated the actual notion of the accessibility of the character. Now he is apparently dead, and will be resurrected by either cosmic or supernatural means. This violates the plausibility of the character completely.

Chris

[The Toyroom]

Then DC might as well remove Batman from the DCU and stick over at Vertigo. I don't see how a card carrying member of the JLA can not have these types of whacked out cosmic problems.

Again....NOT carrying over into his own book. It's ok if he "dabbles" in black magic and a cosmic crisis or two with the JLA on occassion. But I don't want to see him picking up the mantle of "Sorcerer Supreme" either.

[thunderbolt]

Then DC might as well remove Batman from the DCU and stick over at Vertigo. I don't see how a card carrying member of the JLA can not have these types of whacked out cosmic problems.

[johnnystorm]

And also, whenever Batman has interracted with a supernatural entity, he generally plays the skeptic viewpoint to sort of ground the character.

[Earth 2 Chris]

Darkseid has often resurrected those "killed" by his Omega beams, so there's that out as well. He's killed and resurrected Desaad several times that way.

I always thought if Batman ever dies, it should be some random no-name criminal that does it. Shot in an alleyway, so the story comes full circle.

Chris

[The Toyroom]

^ Exactly! Deadman and Etrigan are more supernatural than cosmic...I have no problem with Bats and the supernatural. Heck, some of my favorite Batman team-ups are with guys like Deadman and the Phantom Stranger. But if he's revived as part of "Blackest Night" and the Black Lantern Corps then it becomes more cosmic than supernatural. Sort of like his recent experiences with GL and Sinestro Corps rings...it worked in those respective storylines but didn't effect the character in his own books.

If he's revived through the purpose of the Blackest Night storyline (or other cosmic means) I won't like it...it ruins the human factor of the character IMO.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^^^ Deadman and Etrigan don't count? They've both appeared in Bat books more than a few times.

Yes, they count. Batman can enteract with the undead, or back-from-the-dead, but for him to become one violates the character too much, in my opinion.

Chris

[thunderbolt]

^^^ Deadman and Etrigan don't count? They've both appeared in Bat books more than a few times.

[The Toyroom]

If it WAS Bruce Wayne, having him actually die and be resurrected (which you know he will be) violates the character as presented in his own series, which, despite being set in the DCU, has it's own set of rules and adheres to a more realistic kind of fiction (despite the 50s sci-fi era). Short of dying and being revived by the Lazarus Pit (which happened in Denny O'Neil's "Birth of the Demon" graphic novel), Batman shouldn't be dying and coming back like Superman and Green Lantern.

Right! This will taint the character's history for quite some time....Batman mixes it up occassionally with the cosmic elements of the DCU but NOT in his own book. So by the same token things that happen of a cosmic nature elsewhere (i.e. "Final Crisis") should not stick with the character as part of his comic book DNA when he returns (eventually) to his own title.

[The Toyroom]

Methinks DC editorial is secretly run in the backroom of Arkham Asylum...

[Earth 2 Chris]

If it WAS Bruce Wayne, having him actually die and be resurrected (which you know he will be) violates the character as presented in his own series, which, despite being set in the DCU, has it's own set of rules and adheres to a more realistic kind of fiction (despite the 50s sci-fi era). Short of dying and being revived by the Lazarus Pit (which happened in Denny O'Neil's "Birth of the Demon" graphic novel), Batman shouldn't be dying and coming back like Superman and Green Lantern.

What was the point of this? Batman is the hottest character in pop culture at the moment, and they kill him. Real smart.

Chris

[thunderbolt]

^^^ Now Cat is copying and pasting his own posts like we didn't read it the first time.