Batman's fate in Final Crisis #6--MAJOR SPOILERS

[thunderbolt]

You dead Batman guys might want to go reread (or read) 7 Soldiers Mr. Miracle, especially issue 4 and the 7 Soldiers finale.

[Steeler80]

I've told a comic book reading friend of mine several times, that the best scenario DC could have come up with (barring not doing yet another Earths shattering crossover) would be to let Morrison plot with help from Johns and then let Johns write the thing.

This is purely selfish on my part because I can at least read a Johns script and know what I've just read.

Oh, as an aside, the thought is now that Darkseid hit Batman with an Omega Sanction rather than an Omega Beam so Batman might not be dead (despite the charred corpse) but in a type of purgatory/hell where he's living a succession of crappy lives.

Yeah.

I read an old Batman story (two parter) last night where Batman helped Catwoman (who was dying from a rare disease) and defeated Catman who had stolen the herbs Catwoman desperately needed. Pretty good stuff.

[The Toyroom]

The Sinestro Corps war was the idea (if I've read right) of Geoff Johns with help from Dave Gibbons. Their two books developed the story and it took off. Didio saw DC finally had a hit on their hands and now editorial is all over it by making Blackest Night a DCU event. So again, we'll get a top-down driven storyline because we know how good those have been lately.

The thing is, if that is the case, it will most certainly be better than say "Final Crisis" or "Batman R.I.P." because Johns CAN actually plot a story whereas Morrison cannot. He gives you tons more bang for your buck (or $2.99 as it were). Like you said, Morrison does have some good ideas but his execution is waaaaay off the mark.

[Steeler80]

I'm wondering if Blackest Night will suck.

More than likely. I could be wrong but here's my reasoning. My whole "thing" lately is that editorial should put good creative teams on their books and then get the heck out of the way other than to coordinate between books ("You can't use Doctor 13 because X has big plans for him in Chippy the Squirrel.") and correct spelling errors. Help with plotting if the writer wants it but you are an editor, not the writer! Let your writer's write!!

The Sinestro Corps war was the idea (if I've read right) of Geoff Johns with help from Dave Gibbons. Their two books developed the story and it took off. Didio saw DC finally had a hit on their hands and now editorial is all over it by making Blackest Night a DCU event. So again, we'll get a top-down driven storyline because we know how good those have been lately.

[Airdave817]

Okay.
From what I've read, I'm probably never - never, ever, ever, ever going to read Batman or Detective Comics ever again. I'm probably going to stick with the older iterations of Batman, too.

I have liked what's been going on in Green Lantern. But, I've just been sticking with Green Lantern. No Corps, no Sinestro Corps War - or whatever. I might wait for the trade of Blackest Night. I like the idea of multiple corps. I could see a single lantern of each color in the spectrum, like Sinestro, Atrocitus, Agent Orange, Star Sapphire, etc. I don't know why, but this storyline is clicking. I'm wondering if Blackest Night will suck.

I'm really probably going to start focusing on back issues. Like the '90's Starman. Infinity, Inc. All-Star Squadron. Titans.

Not really interested in where DC (or Marvel) is going from here...

[Steeler80]

But will anyone still be reading by the time they're through being "crazy"?

I've read and liked some Morrison stuff in the past but his Batman has left me cold. I don't feel that I'm that unintelligent but I didn't know what was going on half the time in the series. Could it be that we've been fed this line about Morrison being a genius and wondering why we're not getting it, when it just comes down to the fact that Morrison can't plot a coherent story? Give me Dini's run on Detective over this any day.

I really think he has some good "big" ideas but he can't seem to plot them into a story you can follow. I don't know, to kill Batman on a few pages in an event book, not even giving him a proper sendoff in his own book (we're ignoring the whole argument of why kill him in the first place), just puts me off. In fact, it's put me off the Batman books. I've decided to use the money to fill in holes in my #200-400 Batman run and my to-be-decided Detective run.

[Cosmicman]

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Seems like they will need a Patrick Duffy Dallas Moment to NOT explain this.

Time for a reboot?

[BlackKnight]

#6 came out just yesterday and #5 was out just a few weeks ago...they're finally back after a little break, but now there's even more artists helping out JG Jones (too bad no one's helping Morrison on the script...)

Well Double Damn ! ... , Lame I thought I was caught up.

[The Toyroom]

Ollie Blew up In a Building with No Body... Makes more sense,.. just like how RIP Ended..., rather than maybe showing someone Blewn to a Fried CharBroil with some Omega Beem Eyes...

True but I'm sure T-bolt will tell you that Ollie was resurrected in a storyline that involved Hal Jordan/The Spectre and other supernatural elements.

Oh...and it was a plane that blew up, not a building.

[The Toyroom]

Where you guys Reading Issue 6 At ? All I got is up to issue 4,.. I didn't even Know Issue 5 was out yet,.. let alone issue 6.

#6 came out just yesterday and #5 was out just a few weeks ago...they're finally back after a little break, but now there's even more artists helping out JG Jones (too bad no one's helping Morrison on the script...)

[BlackKnight]

Right, a guy you or I who would be walking amongst gods. Guys like him and Green Arrow work fine in the SF world of DC Comics, they act the everyman in the DC stories. Bruce and Ollie are usually the two voices of reason in the DCU, too. Ollie's been dead once and he survived it, so Bruce should too.

Ollie Blew up In a Building with No Body... Makes more sense,.. just like how RIP Ended..., rather than maybe showing someone Blewn to a Fried CharBroil with some Omega Beem Eyes...

Seems like they will need a Patrick Duffy Dallas Moment to NOT explain this.

[BlackKnight]

Where you guys Reading Issue 6 At ? All I got is up to issue 4,.. I didn't even Know Issue 5 was out yet,.. let alone issue 6.

[thunderbolt]

Okay look at it this way. Of the major comic characters, Batman was the closest that came to a character you could actually be. Sure,most of us aren't rich, but if you trained as he did, had access to the gadgets, etc, you could BE Batman. That's one of his main appeals. Sure you'd be arrested, and institutionalized if you tried to fight crime in a bat suit, but you could do it. You can't be from Krypton. You can't get bitten by a radioactive spider and get it's abilities.

Sure Batman has fought out-of-this-world menaces for years, but they never violated the actual notion of the accessibility of the character. Now he is apparently dead, and will be resurrected by either cosmic or supernatural means. This violates the plausibility of the character completely.

Chris

Right, a guy you or I who would be walking amongst gods. Guys like him and Green Arrow work fine in the SF world of DC Comics, they act the everyman in the DC stories. Bruce and Ollie are usually the two voices of reason in the DCU, too. Ollie's been dead once and he survived it, so Bruce should too.

[The Toyroom]

I doubt there'll be a reboot....as Chris said, they had their chance, especially after the mulitverse re-emerged at the end of Infinite Crisis. And said multiverse is supposedly waiting for room on Grant Morrison's schedule so he can map it out and explore it. (Hoo-boy!) It's not a perfect one, nor the complete reboot everyone was hoping for but it is the one I think we're stuck with for the time being. At least for as long as Dan DiDio is in charge, and it doesn't look like he's going anywhere anytime soon.

[Earth 2 Chris]

A reboot wouldn't surprise me...BUT, they had two big chances to totally hit the reset button (Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis) and they didn't, or apparently aren't with FC. Unless there is some big fast one DC is pulling and all post-FC titles have false solicitations.

Maybe Blackest Night concludes with a reboot, although I doubt it. If they have all this strung out over the next several years for a reboot that's just nuts.

Chris