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Didn't see it but heard it sucked
Can't be worse than the prequels ?
Can't be worse than the prequels ?
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I think the dramatic arc really depends on those characters being a bit of a mystery. If it was Ackbar, we would know that he had a plan. If it was Lando, we would know we could trust him... or it would totally ruin the character to make him betray them to the First Order. But the movie fools you into doubting the Vice Admiral. And it makes you trust the Code Breaker (heck, I was convinced that at some point we would find he too had a flower emblem... under his coat or something... and we would learn this is who Moz sent them to find in the first place). That's what makes the twists work. Not every scruffy nerf herder has a heart of gold...Comment
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^Exactly. The major criticism of this movie seems to be what it wasn't. That it didn't give the fans exactly what they wanted...which TFA was criticized FOR.
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I feel like Luke was always teetering on the edge of the dark side so Luke acting impetuous in that moment and then regaining control was very much in his character.
Luke's character has always been flawed with being easily discouraged. There are a few scenes in the original trilogy where he acts like a complete baby. His blaming himself for Ben's turn and exile in frustration after giving up is absolutely in character. It's like in so many kung fu movies: the broken master who has one last shot at being the hero. And in the end, Luke is the ultimate hero, taking on the First Order alone with a "laser sword" as he dismissively called it at the beginning of the movie.
Maybe Lando will show up especially now that we unfortunately don't have Carrie Fisher to appear in the last movie. They did send out distress calls, after all.Expectation is the death of discovery.Comment
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Earth2 Chris, your thoughts are pretty much identical to my own. I think perhaps most of the fan criticism should be more directed towards JJ Abrams, who, although did a fine job with TFA, used his "Mystery Box" style of setups, which are almost impossible to resolve in a satisfying way. Rian Johnson had to deal with that, and I admire his solutions. I think Johnson did an amazing job avoiding the tropes and cliches, and really going somewhere new.Comment
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Both movies are fine. People just need to chill.
I will say it again the internet gives a false impression of more negativity than there really is. There are small groups of trolls flooding sites like rotten tomatoes with false reviews and negativity. Social media is a haven for trolls and their sock puppets. There has always been nerd rage. There has always been people with poor social skills and anger management issues spouting off nonsense. But instead of being the creepy guy we all tried to avoid at the comic store they now have the internet to spout their hate and rage to a much larger audience.
Try not to worry about those kind of people and just enjoy the movie.
You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...Comment
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I agree with that. I would have hoped Luke would have grown beyond that, but it isn't really out of character. And as I said...he wasn't really wrong. But this movie didn't white-wash the Jedi's sins, even Luke pointed out the bonehead mistakes we saw the stuffy Jedis make in the prequels that led to the rise of the Empire. None of these characters are without flaws.I feel like Luke was always teetering on the edge of the dark side so Luke acting impetuous in that moment and then regaining control was very much in his character.
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I never saw Luke as ever teetering the edge. He would never fall to the dark side He was always the balance of the force the light and dark.You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...Comment
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I guess teetering on the edge is a bit too drastic for me now that I think about it. I think Luke could channel the Dark Side without letting it take him over. He paused at Rey going into it with abandon though.
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Expectation is the death of discovery.Comment
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I thought the Luke/Ben thing was really well done. I could never see Luke actually following through with it, but I could go along with the idea that he had a moment of weakness... It was a far more satisfying origin story for Ben than the prequels gave Anakin. As Star Wars loves to say, both Luke and Ben were right "from a certain point of view."
And on an unrelated note: I loved that they didn't kill off Leia. No idea how they handle that in the next movie, but I watched the whole movie waiting for the part where Leia dies. "Ah, the TIE fighter attack..." But she uses the Force and survives. "Well surely, she will be the one to stay behind to pilot the ship." Nope. "They can't blow up her escape pod... Poe is on it. Wait, are they really going to kill off Poe... I dunno, not a lot of movie left." It literally kept me guessing the whole time. And honestly, the idea that she found a way to survive was a really powerful metaphor for the movie's large theme about keeping the spark of hope alive.Comment
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I have really been wondering on it myself. maybe they do have unused footage from the 2 movies they can use to give her a send off in Ep. 9. we can only hope. she was great in TLJComment
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I have a feeling that Episode 9 will take place several years later in the timeline. I'm guessing Leia's death will likely be referred to, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't explain the circumstances.
And I'd be just fine with that! Not every dot needs to be connected.
And Werewolf is right, my saying JJ Abrams should be the target of fan venom came out wrong. I actually love TFA and TLJ both, as different as they are. People do need to chill and just let the story carry you along. It's much more fun that way.Comment
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