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My only thought after just seeing the title of this thread, was "Why?"
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Why do people post anything on message boards?
I posted this because I just re-watched the movies and was in the mood to rationally and fairly discuss the good and bad points of the movies without the two extreme sides posting the usual Lucas sucks/Lucas can do no wrong nonsense.You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...Comment
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I've always said "Phantom" being bad put a damper of the others. Not only that but they want back too far. Darth Vader as an nine year old? Why?
I thought "Attack of The Clones" had it moments (Ben vs. Jango, Yoda vs, Count Dooku) and "Revenge of The Sith" was actually good.
But again "Phantom" was so bad "Clones" would have had to be off the charts to make people forget about it. It wasn't but it was still enjoyable enough.
I think the whole thing would have better if they did Clones first, Sith second, and then a third movie moved forward with the beginning of the rebellion or set somewhere in the middle.Comment
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It would probably only take a few changes to vastly improve each prequal. Recast Anakin a little older in Phantom Menace and you not only take away some of the later "creepy" romance aspects but make the whole pod racing and starfighter battle more believable. I also wouldn't have killed off Darth Maul, he should have been kept as Palpatines aprentice until Episode 3, just replace Dooku with Maul for the entire trilogy.Comment
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"No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris MannixComment
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You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...Comment
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>My only thought after just seeing the title of this thread, was "Why?"
There are some things a person just HAS to do. It 'aint pretty, it 'aint right.... but some dark force drives you. For instance: I've watched the Holiday Special MANY times.... and each time I come a little closer to making that "Death Star Trooper with porn 'stache" custom.
>The problem lies not so much with the films, but the viewer.
I don't ENTIRELY agree, but I know a lot of the new flicks was killed for me 'cos I know how they ultimately turn out.
Don C.Comment
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It seems the best films of a franchise are made by people who aren't experts in the franchise ........ A few examples are Superman: The Movie, Flash Gordon 1980 and the new Star Trek movie.Comment
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Let's keep it short. I liked 75% of the prequel trilogy.
Phantom Menace: if they had toned down Jar Jar (aka the lack of sense of humour in George Lucas), I though it was a decent start to the saga.
Wish Darth Maul had gone on to fight another day. Same for Qui Gon.
Clones: I liked most of it, except for, yet again, the lame attempt at humour. Lucas reduced 3PO to a blundering idiot.
I hated the R2 flying scenes: when you decide the rules of your universe, stick to them, don't break them afterwards. The whole droid factory scene should have been cut. On the CD, music for that scene was mentioned as a bonus track, so even Lucas must have considered that.
I also would have prefered the Jedi to not be such supermen. If you're going to jump out of a flying speeder, falling hundreds of feet, Jedi or not, you're going SPLAT.
The weakest entry for me.
I liked Sith, and it did have some great moments (like the Opera scene), which I found quite chilling.
Weakest moments: Anakin's turn to the Dark Side:
"Join me, Anakin."
"Oh, well, OK...."
And true: Vader's "Noooooo!!!" sounded a bit silly.
What went wrong: Lucas has no one to correct him anymore. He's God to his Universe, and if he thinks it's funny that 3PO can walk around with no head, that stuff will actually happen. Get that man an editor with cohones.
If Irv Kershner had directed these, think of the possibilities....Last edited by Gorn Captain; Aug 7, '10, 9:57 AM..
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Besides the bad writing, bad acting and bad directing .... The worst thing I couldn't stand was the much too complex plot ...
All this trade federation vs this and that ....
Maybe i'm an idiot, but it was just too hard to follow.
Instead of enjoying the movie I found myself trying too hard to understand what was happening.
To this day i've seen each movie about 3 times (from being played on TV and nothing else was on) ... and I still only understand about half of what was happening.
The Classic trilogy was made to mimic 1930's matinee serials -- which were made for kids and relied more on action than plot with larger than life characters.
The new trilogy is made for grown-up fanboys.
It's why they came out so lousy.Last edited by Mikey; Aug 7, '10, 10:25 AM.Comment
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Tried to figure it out, eh? I never even bothered, so it wasn't a problem
for me. The movies moved along fine for me in that respect.
The original trilogy had stuff like that too...rebels, Jedis, "lord" Vader, the
Emperor's beauracracy... I never bothered hurting my brain
over that stuff either. Admittedly the newer movies TALKED about that stuff
more, which is the reason you were more distracted by it.
You obviously saw that 7-part reviewer guy's funny and insightful reviews
online, correct?
The reason given by that reviewer guy that the movies may have been percieved as "lousy" regarding "target audience" wouldn't have
been from Lucas making the flicks for grownup fanboys, but moreso
for "everyone" from toddlers, to old fanboys to tween chicks etc. etc. and
I agree with the reviewer w/at least that much."No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris MannixComment
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The main reason I was disappointedin eps 1-3 is I came into them with preconceived notions.
I knew the backstory in a hazy sort of way, and was disappointed that the actual playing out did not meet with the awesome movies I had formed in my head.
Kind of like Stephan King's It. It's awesome until you see the crappy spider.
The new trilogy was the crappy spider. We'd all heard how awesome the clone wars were, and how there was a time with millions of Jedi fighting for good, and that the stormtroopers wore mandalorian armor, and we'd finally get to meet Luke and Leia's mom... the hype was Pennywise. The actual flicks were the crappy spider.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Reflecting a little more on the prequels... I can see why Lucas made Vader non-likeable. The modern sensibilities would see the tragic fall of a hero as too shocking for our modern children. I think that's stupid but I really believe that had something t do with the character's development... you weren't supposed to like. Weak but whatever his movie.... The bigger problem for me is the final Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" scene. That is inexcusible. To spend all that cash on making the flicks to then have the formerly most memorable big screen villian degraded to nothing more than a bad local theater actor.Comment
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