Next Generation season 1, really bad!

[garagesale]

I agree that season 1 is pretty awful. Season 2 is not a lot better (think there was a writers' strike that year). The only things that kept me coming were: 1) the great actors, who struggled to develop their characters and finally got there by season 3; 2) the special effects (not the sets), which gradually got better & better; and, 3) the fact that is was FREAKIN' STAR TREK!

I think my patience paid off by the time the Borg showed up, and esp. by the time Spock showed his ears in the season 5 "Unification" story. I loved DS9 too, and most of the movies (esp. First Contact). Voyager was a little disappointing, but I'm definitely in the Enterprise camp.

The same kind of patience did not pay me off so well as I suffered through the last 1/2 of Return of the Jedi and then 3 really awful prequels to Star Wars.

JamesD

[david_b]

Against the grain as usual, but I like the first season.

I actually do too, just for it's wonky-sort-of-appeal, plus it was all new.. I initially didn't like the naming of the characters, and everyone was a bit stiff, obvious, and cheesy.

But by the time the 3rd year arrived, everything got cleaned up and improved immensely.

david_b

[hobub]

Next Generation

[huedell]

Next Generation

I never wanted to rewatch that episode, but always wanted to rewatch
that scene.

Why does McCoy lapse into a southern accent here and there though?

[saildog]

Why does McCoy lapse into a southern accent here and there though?

Because McCoy was a Southerner. Don't know why it was only really apparent when he was portrayed as being ancient.

[huedell]

Because McCoy was a Southerner. Don't know why it was only really apparent when he was portrayed as being ancient.

Without knowing TOS like TNG, I still DID suspect after
hearing him in that clip that that must have been his origin---
still----like you pointed out, it seems strange that the accent
came out in later years----not implausible----but strange

[palitoy]

I've never been a fan of this series, whatever it is that I like about the original Star Trek isn't present here I guess. I find the whole thing too sterile, the people too proper and the whole thing is just very......1980s to me.

I will occasionally see the show channel surfing and I've noticed that the first season out of all them, has really aged poorly. It's not as noticable with later seasons.

[david_b]

Without knowing TOS like TNG, I still DID suspect after
hearing him in that clip that that must have been his origin---
still----like you pointed out, it seems strange that the accent
came out in later years----not implausible----but strange

Not really sure what you're referring to..:

1) TOS 'Deadly Years', he had an old southern accent when he, yes, got old.., and

2)TOS 'This Side of Paradise' he has a REAL southern accent ("Hey, Jimmyboy!")

[Captain]

I never wanted to rewatch that episode, but always wanted to rewatch
that scene.

Why does McCoy lapse into a southern accent here and there though?

The Southern accent was added to the characterization of Admiral McCoy based on a reminder from DC Fontana of an element from the original series. As noted above, In the deadly years episode, Kelley used a stronger Southern accent to portray the rapidly aging McCoy.

[huedell]

The Southern accent was added to the characterization of Admiral McCoy based on a reminder from DC Fontana of an element from the original series. As noted above, In the deadly years episode, Kelley used a stronger Southern accent to portray the rapidly aging McCoy.

Thank you captain---you caught how I began my post/question
"Without knowing TOS like TNG, I still DID suspect..."
I just never cared to watch the original series all that much
but became pretty familliar with McCoy more from the movies.

[ctc]

>This series would have done better called something completely different.

Well.... I could see what Roddenberry wanted: he wanted to show that by this time things had changed, people were more reasonable and well adjusted (unless you were a scientist) and society was a lot more accepting and functional. Which I was okay with, except that everyone on the show as so blah. There weren't very many differences between them. Even Yar; who grew up in a crime riddled Cyberpunk world was just as level headed as everyone else. The one that REALLY bugged me was when they found those guys who were engineered as supersoldiers and then abandoned by their society. The most logical, friendly, open minded bio-egineered superterrorists I've ever seen....

And there was no real sign of a society beyond Sarfleet. No media, very little entertainment; and what we saw was all highbrow by OUR standards. How different the show would have been if instead of jazz Riker was into the Plasmatics.

>Data that got old real fast.

Oh yeah. They relied to heavy on the nerdly aspects of the show for the first few years. Maybe 'cos the characters all came pre-resolved?

Don C.


Not that babylon 5 was bad just not trek.

[hobub]

I never wanted to rewatch that episode, but always wanted to rewatch
that scene.

Why does McCoy lapse into a southern accent here and there though?

Well, here's another couple for you. The best part ever of the newer star treks

NCC1701

DSN Tribble-ations

[huedell]

Well, here's another couple for you. The best part ever of the newer star treks

NCC1701

DSN Tribble-ations

Thank you posting them but I actually really
like TRIALS and RELICS and have them both here at home in full.
Totally agreed those are both killer episodes with wonderful Trekky moments.

FARPOINT...I never really cared for...now, ALL GOOD THINGS...
that's another matter

[Earth 2 Chris]

I tried to like TNG during the first season, but I just couldn't. Add me to the list who found the characters way too perfect, and because of that, boring. The plots were all rehashed from TOS without the action. I guess this was the cerebral Trek Rodenberry originally wanted, but at least Jeffery Hunter seemed to have a lot of pent up frustration to make him interesting. I think the lack of charisma and chemistry between the cast is what finally killed the movie series. TOS could get by with bad episodes due to the great characterization and chemistry. If TNG wasn't written well, it was pretty unwatchable. It did indeed get MUCH better after Wesely was dropped, but it was still very plot-driven, even when they did character spotlights, no one felt very likeable, including Picard, depsite Stewart's fine acting job.

Chris

[huedell]

I tried to like TNG during the first season, but I just couldn't. Add me to the list who found the characters way too perfect, and because of that, boring. The plots were all rehashed from TOS without the action. I guess this the cerebral Trek Rodenberry originally wanted, but at least Jeffery Hunter seemed to have a lot of pent up frustration to make him interesting. I think the lack of chrasima and chemistry between the cast is what finally killed the movie series. TOS could get by with bad episodes due to the great characterization and chemistry. If TNG wasn't written well, it was pretty unwatchable.

Chris

I feel like such a sucker when I read posts like this

Still, I have to agree that I don't care for many early TNG episodes
nor did I ever catch onto NEMESIS----yet