Is Sabbath, Zeppelin & Alice METAL ?

[nvmbrsdoom5]

Some people think Poison is metal, but I listen to bands like Cradle of Filth, Emperor, Old Man's Child, etc. so my definition of metal is a bit different by comparison.

Ah didn't know we had some black metal fans around these parts I enjoy those bands as well. Some of the CoF guys are friends of mine (well I should say ex-CoF guys, as the current lineup has changed once again *sigh*)

As for the comment someone made earlier about how most modern metal bands are "a buncha skinny pimple-faced kids screaming in a mic whilst wearing "Hot Topic" clothes and TRYING to be cool", that's only true for the mainstream tripe that's being passed off as Metal these days. There are loads of good metal bands still around and quite active these days, and it runs the gamut from extreme stuff (death metal, black metal, etc.) to bands still playing more traditional straight-up heavy metal. A good majority of them, as CTC mentioned, are from Europe, where the Metal scene is still quite healthy. But then there's those of us (*smiles and waves*) who are still playing heavy metal and are not pimple faced, or sadly, not too skinny either

It's a big part of why my band tends to do most of our touring abroad in Europe as opposed to the States, though we do some touring here as well. But it's alot more successful and on a much more grand scale overseas.

[The Sentry]

Ah didn't know we had some black metal fans around these parts I enjoy those bands as well. Some of the CoF guys are friends of mine (well I should say ex-CoF guys, as the current lineup has changed once again *sigh*)

As for the comment someone made earlier about how most modern metal bands are "a buncha skinny pimple-faced kids screaming in a mic whilst wearing "Hot Topic" clothes and TRYING to be cool", that's only true for the mainstream tripe that's being passed off as Metal these days. There are loads of good metal bands still around and quite active these days, and it runs the gamut from extreme stuff (death metal, black metal, etc.) to bands still playing more traditional straight-up heavy metal. A good majority of them, as CTC mentioned, are from Europe, where the Metal scene is still quite healthy. But then there's those of us (*smiles and waves*) who are still playing heavy metal and are not pimple faced, or sadly, not too skinny either

It's a big part of why my band tends to do most of our touring abroad in Europe as opposed to the States, though we do some touring here as well. But it's alot more successful and on a much more grand scale overseas.

Yeah that comment was from me, see, some of the greatest metal bands ever will be bands that won't be heard or respected because of the "Skinny pimple-faced kids screaming in a mic whilst wearing "Hot Topic" clothes and TRYING to be cool". Trust me, I have opened and headlined for some of the greatest bands that won't EVER be heard as well as the big bands like Clutch, Trivium, Byzantine and the list goes on from there. Just because they aren't pretty or young, or don't have a gimmick, or don't wear facepaint or have a schtick. One of my favorite bands were silenced due to political reasons Warrior Soul was the name of the band I speak of. Sadly enough to survive you do need the mainstream to a degree. Or have a great following that takes years and money most of the bands I speak of don't have. Again this is something I know. For example, I help alot of the local clubs here around Charleston WV, and we happened to get "O'2L" (Al Pitrelli's side thing besides T.S.O.) here and they played to about 20 people! 20 PEOPLE!!!!!!!! We properly promoted the show as well WITH MONTHS IN ADVANCE! I mean if it were one of the "Skinny pimple-faced kids screaming in a mic whilst wearing "Hot Topic" clothes and TRYING to be cool", then the place would have been chock-full of people once again trying to be cool! That's the point I'm trying to make here. I have been playing music since I was young, it's NEVER been easy, it's always been rough, and I NEVER saw anything in the slightest of a return moneywise that would warrant a career. I do it cause I love it. Maybe someday that will turn around (But I'm not holding my breath)
In fact, I still play "heavy metal" myself, but these days it's alot different than what it was. The style has changed to being heavier than hard rock to being "cookie monster vocals" with no soul. Guitarists who think they are Zak Wylde and Randy Rhoads or Dimebag Darrell made over. Bassplayers who don't play more than one string and drummers who can't function without a double bass drum pedal. To add to this wonderfull "KINKO's" "Heavy Metal" generation isn't complete without alot of politics and crap that I don't care to get into. If you have something original then go with it but good luck, most of the kids these days would rather listen to the rehashed crap than the timeless classic artists they so blatantly rip off.

It's just hard for me to enjoy stuff anymore cause for the most part it all sounds the same to me. It might be good, but I still hear too much of one thing and not enough of another. As far as hunting down music, I really don't have time to do that, too busy tending to my family, my band and my jobs. I hear and get what I like. So I stay in the area where is comfortable to me.

If you can do it more power to you, not being offensive, simply stating my opinion from YEARS of experience.

I'll also add I do like your bands stuff, I must say rather good. Not alot of good heavy metal anymore that makes me nod my head, and as far as the old school, nothing beats Venom, Celtic Frost, Motorhead, Saint Vitus and The Obsessed. NOW THAT'S HEAVY METAL! Thank God for Dave Grohl's "Probot" album, the younger generation could actually see what I was talking about!

[4NDR01D]

>All "Heavy Metal" is now is a buncha skinny pimple-faced kids screaming in a mic whilst wearing "Hot Topic" clothes and TRYING to be cool.

That's quite the generalization and a bit unfair to the many great metal (yes, American metal) bands going today:

High on Fire, Mastadon, Big Business, Melvins, Karp, Speedealer, Zeke, Sleep, just to name a few. I do like a lot of foreign metal as well, they take their metal (and rock n roll) very seriously. And I hear the comment about being to busy to seek out new bands, due to work, family, etc. But that doesn't mean that there's not great bands coming up. In fact I'd really like to check out this band you guys have been mentioning "The Sword", and the last two High on Fire albums I absolutly swear by-"Blessed black Wings" and "Death is this Communion". They're not kids, not pimply and I doubt you'd find them shopping at a "hot topic" whatever that is. Check out the video for "Rumours of war" on youtube and see if ya disagree.

[The Sentry]

That's quite the generalization and a bit unfair to the many great metal (yes, American metal) bands going today:

High on Fire, Mastadon, Big Business, Melvins, Karp, Speedealer, Zeke, Sleep, just to name a few. I do like a lot of foreign metal as well, they take their metal (and rock n roll) very seriously. And I hear the comment about being to busy to seek out new bands, due to work, family, etc. But that doesn't mean that there's not great bands coming up. In fact I'd really like to check out this band you guys have been mentioning "The Sword", and the last two High on Fire albums I absolutly swear by-"Blessed black Wings" and "Death is this Communion". They're not kids, not pimply and I doubt you'd find them shopping at a "hot topic" whatever that is. Check out the video for "Rumours of war" on youtube and see if ya disagree.

Now I do like Zeke (I own 3 CD's!), Mastadon, and HoF. My old band opened for them and Clutch in 2005, great fellas they were. Oh, and don't forget Orange Goblin, good stuff too! If you like HoF you would like them!

Here pull on this!
Orange Goblin
MySpace.com - Orange Goblin - London, UK - Metal / Rock / Metal - www.myspace.com/theorangegoblin

The Sword
MySpace.com - THE SWORD - Austin, Texas - Metal / Rock - www.myspace.com/thesword

Enjoy!

[4NDR01D]

Now I do like Zeke (I own 3 CD's!), Mastadon, and HoF. My old band opened for them and Clutch in 2005, great fellas they were. Oh, and don't forget Orange Goblin, good stuff too! If you like HoF you would like them!

YouTube - ZEKE - Mountain Man

Hope that link works Haven't tried to link anything yet.
I guess being for West Virginia you can relate to the whole "mountain man" thing huh?(maybe this grin should be missing a tooth tho!)

[4NDR01D]

YouTube - HIGH ON FIRE - Rumors of War

[The Sentry]

YouTube - ZEKE - Mountain Man

Hope that link works Haven't tried to link anything yet.
I guess being for West Virginia you can relate to the whole "mountain man" thing huh?(maybe this grin should be missing a tooth tho!)

Dude, yeah you have no idea! *sighs*

Oh and while your at it, in my sig under the pic of Hulk is my bands myspace, tell me what you think there, while your checking out new stuff! OJ from Byzantine produced our 4 song demo. I'm rather proud of it. Hope you enjoy it.

[4NDR01D]

YouTube - Sleep - Dragonaut

[The Sentry]

I haven't heard that Zeke song before, I have Super Sound Racing, Kicked in the Teeth and The Living End and I loved all 3 disks! Great stuff there! HoF as always was great too. Thanks for the vids mate!

OH! You should check out "The Black Keys" too. Great blues band from Ohio! Amazing stuff there!

[4NDR01D]

very cool dude! no arguments here, it's metal in my book.(look, the smileys headbanging)

[The Sentry]

very cool dude! no arguments here, it's metal in my book.(look, the smileys headbanging)

Thanks abunch mate! I really did like that Sleep song, gunna have to get more of that!

[Beatnik]

Black Sabbath is definitely the roots of metal, then came Judas Priest to further define "Heavy Metal". And let's not forget Jethro Tull, that's what the idiots running the machine thought was "Metal".

Don't forget Budgie, from whom Metallica ripped a few from.

YouTube - BUDGIE - BREADFAN

[Mikey]

YouTube - Sammy Davis Jr. - The Candy Man (1972)

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[The Sentry]

Black Sabbath is definitely the roots of metal, then came Judas Priest to further define "Heavy Metal". And let's not forget Jethro Tull, that's what the idiots running the machine thought was "Metal".

Don't forget Budgie, from whom Metallica ripped a few from.

YouTube - BUDGIE - BREADFAN

I hear ya man, I love Tull, but I agree they aren't "Metal" I mean Aqualung and Locomotive Breath, and Cross-Eyed Mary comes as close to that.

But, I think Maiden did more, but I always knew people who liked Priest or Maiden didn't listen to the other very much. I knew dozens of people who were Priest fans and Maiden fans but either side knows much about the other, you were pretty one way with the 2 of them. A musical "Fork in the Road". I bet there are people out there who love them equally, but I have never met one! But I do respect Priest, "Turbo" and the "Priest Live" were some shining moments IMO. But 1987 was a golden year for music for me Heavy Metal all the way!

Breadfan is one of the best covers Metallica did IMO also.........now.........

YouTube - Sammy Davis Jr. - The Candy Man (1972)

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.........to YOU sir, I see your Sammy Davis Jr. and raise you 2 SUPERSTARS!!!!!!!!!
YouTube - Tina Turner Tom Jones - Hot Legs

[nvmbrsdoom5]

Hey there Sentry, nice post you made in reponse to mine, some interesting points....

One thing I want to address though, was your statement about bands with "cookie monster vocals with no soul". I think that's maybe a generalization that's not completely fair, to be honest. My band utilises quite a bit of those "cookie monster" vocals but we have plenty of feeling and soul in our music as well. Yeah your Cannibal Corpse variety of metal bands are pretty much all brutality and no feel, to some degree, but there are others of us out there who are trying to do a more interesting blend of styles, incorporating the brutal heavier stuff along with elements of prog, folk, and traditional hard rock/metal. Another band who comes to mind that follows this parth are OPETH, or bands like MY DYING BRIDE, to name only a couple. I realise that the death metal vocal style is not for everyone but I hope that maybe people can give it an open-minded listen because there's alot more to bands like mine and the others like us than just mindless crunch and brutality. I'm just as influenced by Pink Floyd and Trouble and The Doors as I am Morbid Angel and Slayer, and I think it's reflected in the stuff we write (or at least we're trying!)

Oh good call on the Warrior Soul mention. Always loved that band. Kory is singing for the band TROUBLE now, some Chicago area heroes/friends of mine, can't wait to see how that pairing works out.