New reality series Killing Bigfoot

[MIB41]

I have a question to ask you Dwayne and it's a serious one and an honest one. If you're swimming in the ocean and come across a unique species or unidentified species not cataloged by science would you know it? I would like for you to answer it honestly instead of trying to anticipate my purpose because I am not looking to examine anything other than possibilities here.

[LonnieFisher]

There is not one single piece of evidence to prove there is a creature that is described as "bigfoot". No bone. No hair. No grave. No photo. No video. No trophy head. No skin. No claw. No nail. No tooth. No den. No dwelling. No nest. No bigfoot eggs. No scat. Nothing...
There is evidence of hoax, though. I could pull a hoax off with ease. Hydrospan a casting of my foot and I would have some convincing "evidence" to prove bigfoot existed.
I'd love to believe there was a sasquatch. I had a cat with extra claws in the mid 70's that I named Sasquatch.

[The Bat]

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Hamlet; Act 1, Scene 5,

[LonnieFisher]

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
Abraham Lincoln

[warlock664]

"There's a sucker born every minute."

PT Barnum

[LonnieFisher]

If they do indeed find and kill a bigfoot, it should be skinned, stuffed, and mounted. Also the meat should be cooked and sold for a couple million dollars per portion to rich people who like exotic animal cuisine. Hopefully it'll be a pregnant female, so we can know how many offspring they have. They could harvest the rest of her eggs and wait until a male is killed. They could then harvest the sperm and create their own babies and breed them for zoos.
Planet Of The Apes takes place in the United States. Maybe it's the skunk ape that is the original talking smart ape...

[MRP]

Well, while we are throwing quotes around here...

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Carl Sagan

I'm a bit of a skeptic, but I am a fan of crytozooology and folklore, so I enjoy watching shows of this ilk. In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy was a staple of my childhood and opened some many avenues of investigation and possibility for me, that I have never stopped asking questions and investigating possibilities.

-M

[warlock664]

You know, as much as I'm a fan of fantasy/comics/horror/science fiction, I'd really love it if there was something to all of this. I just find it hard to believe that, in this day and age, no hard concrete evidence has ever turned up, if there really is such a creature. Like Lonnie points out, no remains, dwellings, clear photos, etc have ever been produced. I know it's a big world, but it gets smaller every day, and I can't believe all traces could remain hidden this long. I don't begrudge anyone their own personal theories, though.

[toyman]

If they have been around humans for hundreds of years who could blame them from keeping as far away as possible, could be a very intelligent creature.

[drquest]

In my heart of hearts I want there to be a creature known as Bigfoot out there. I also want Ghosts and UFO's to be real as well. I've seen something ghost'ish I couldn't explain, and something UFO'ish my father and I couldn't explain. Doesn't mean I'm a believer, but I'm not going to shut down that part of my brain that won't accept the possibility there's krypto type stuff out there.

[enyawd72]

I have a question to ask you Dwayne and it's a serious one and an honest one. If you're swimming in the ocean and come across a unique species or unidentified species not cataloged by science would you know it? I would like for you to answer it honestly instead of trying to anticipate my purpose because I am not looking to examine anything other than possibilities here.

Probably not, but I don't think most people would. The question here is irrelevent. It is not for me to recognize a unique or unidentified species anywhere. The only correct course of action is to accurately report what I observe and then compare those findings to the record of known animals. Such is the case with Bigfoot. It's classification has never been determined other than some type of great ape, which includes humans. Without positive identification, any cryptid animal must be compared to something that is known, if for no other reason than to provide some frame of reference.

That's why it's interesting to note that there are no Bigfoot sightings where there shouldn't be any...Hawaii is a perfect example. There was never any way for an ape species to migrate there from Asia...hence, no Bigfoot reports come from there.

Now to address Lonnie's assertions that there is no evidence...well, that's bunk. There have been plenty of pieces of evidence. There are photos, videos, nests, tree structures, vocalizations, etc.
Lonnie's claim that he could cast his own footprint and fool any true expert betrays his ignorance on the subject. I'm not going to get into it any further than that.
In 45 years I have never seen one black bear in Ohio. I've never seen any bones, or nests. I guess that means they don't exist right? That's how utterly stupid that argument is. There are currently 200,000 to 300,000 chimpanzees living in the wild, and over thousands of years millions have lived and died. How many chimpanzee remains have ever been found? TWO. Out of MILLIONS.

Gorillas...elephants...giant squid...all were once thought to be myths. Thankfully, science eventually won out and proved them all.

[LonnieFisher]

Now to address Lonnie's assertions that there is no evidence...well, that's bunk. There have been plenty of pieces of evidence. There are photos, videos, nests, tree structures, vocalizations, etc.

Well, let's see one real picture. Or one real nest. Where is this evidence? Where is the hair that was retrieved from the nest? What was the DNA result from the tests?
None?

In 45 years I have never seen one black bear in Ohio. I've never seen any bones, or nests. I guess that means they don't exist right? That's how utterly stupid that argument is.

Has anybody else in Ohio seen one? Or taken a picture? Or have a skin?
Yes.
But, not bigfoot...

My arguments are not stupid. They are based in facts, not theories. Bigfoot is theoretical, your black bear is factual.

P.S. There are no bigfoot "experts"...

[Starroid Raiders Dagon]

Gorillas...elephants...giant squid...all were once thought to be myths. Thankfully, science eventually won out and proved them all.

Funny you mentioned this! Years ago I saw a brown bear (brown in color) on Vancouver Island, and people said we didnt have brown bears (the species) on the island. So, I assumed it was a black bear that happened to be brown. Fast forward 10 years and they say brown bears do inhabit the island.
Second story is about Cabbits (rabbit and cat crossbreed). Long and boring, but was told by a science teacher it was possible, fast forward 12 years and told impossible (only thing I could find online was about a Pokemon), and two weeks ago I looked it up and now they (people, experts, science??) say it is possible.
I havent watched the show you mentioned as I usually like the dry documentary type as I find the usual fare these days being too dramatic for my taste.

[LonnieFisher]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2013/10/new-bigfoot-evidence-screened-as-expert-claims-proof-of-existence/

http://www.khq.com/story/27808304/finally-indisputable-proof-bigfoot-spotted-in-northern-california

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/bigfoot_at_50_evaluating_a_half-century_of_bigfoot_evidence

[enyawd72]

Well, let's see one real picture. Or one real nest. Where is this evidence? Where is the hair that was retrieved from the nest? What was the DNA result from the tests?
None?



Has anybody else in Ohio seen one? Or taken a picture? Or have a skin?
Yes.
But, not bigfoot...

My arguments are not stupid. They are based in facts, not theories. Bigfoot is theoretical, your black bear is factual.

P.S. There are no bigfoot "experts"...

Well, that's your opinion, but until you show me your degrees in biology, primatology, and forensics I'll rely on the opinions of people much more educated on the subject than you.