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PBS' great science-investigation series Nova recently premiered a JFK conspiracy show, I saw it late last nite. Sorry to disappoint all the conspiracy lovers, but their forensic findings were consistent with the 2003 documentary I linked earlier, supporting Oswald as the lone shooter. The show and a synopsis here:
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I'm not disputing the single bullet theory,in fact i agree that one bullet passed through JFK and struck Connelly.That one fact does not disprove multiple gunmen being involved or that Oswald was the lone shooter.
There have been other experts that have done the same kind of tests and came to different conclusions,some saying that particular bullet could have been fired from the Dal-Tex building or the TSBD.
IF fired from the TSBD,it still doesn't prove Oswald was the shooter of that one bullet or that all bullets fired came from there.
There are witnesses who say the evidence against Oswald firing the rifle they found was faked.
The Dallas police find 3 shell casings on the 6th floor windowsill of the TSBD,All three sitting in a row less than an inch apart on this windowsill.
They didn't land there after being ejected out of the rifle.Did Oswald pick them up off the floor where they had to have landed and put them on the windowsill? No,i dont think someone who just shot the President is going to take the time to retrieve the shell casings and place them neatly on the windowsill.Comment
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The Dallas police found the shells on the floor. It's in the Warren Commission report under discovery of cartridge cases:
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She was looking at her husband, but we never see the back of his head explode in the Zapruder film; it appeared to be the front right area of his head that exploded and there was plenty of skull and brain to go around. Since you think there were multiple shooters, are you suggesting that a 2nd head shot is what she saw causing brain to fly out from the back of his head even though it wasn't captured on film? She was obviously in shock and behaving irrationally, but I always found it strange that in the footage she went straight to that one spot on the trunk.You are transparent; I see many things... I see plans within plans.Comment
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Sorry but i dont put too much stock in the Warren Commision report.
Yes,a second shot from the right to the head a fraction of a second after the first head shot.So the explosions from both head shots happened almost simultaneously.
Did you see the brain matter fly from his head and land on the trunk where she went to get it? Not everything is going to be visible in the Zapruder film.
A laser trajectory analysis conducted in 1998 comes to the same conclusion of other experts tests about the single bullet theory,which again i'm not disputing that analysis about that "one" shot.
A shot from the storm drain to the right of JFK a fraction of a second after the first head shot is one theory.
The expert in this video quickly dismisses that theory because of a "minimal window of time".The same could be said about the 3 shots in 6 seconds theory.
When you take into account the reports of the limo slowing and even stopping at that time,that minimal time frame window increases.
The expert goes on to say13:05 (about the storm drain shot) although the "TRAJECTORY DOES LINE UP,nothing else lines up for the "theme".
Which means the "theme" for these tests was to prove the single bullet theory,which to some seem to prove a single gunman theory.
They were there to prove the single bullet theory,which they did as have many others,but that proves one bullet was fired from the TSBD or the Dal-Tex building,not where all bullets came from or who the shooters were.
Witnesses reported the last shots were very close together,within fractions of a second.All shots could not have been fired by one shooter using a bolt action rifle.
Witnesses at the hospital all reported a large hole in the back of JFK's head.
There are also claims that his body was tampered with to make it conform to the story.
Why the refusal to allow the doctor at Dallas perform the autopsy?
and the hurry to get his body oout of Dallas as quickly as possible?,
which the SS did at Gunpoint when there was opposition to them doing so.
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PBS' great science-investigation series Nova recently premiered a JFK conspiracy show, I saw it late last nite. Sorry to disappoint all the conspiracy lovers, but their forensic findings were consistent with the 2003 documentary I linked earlier, supporting Oswald as the lone shooter. The show and a synopsis here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_1...forensics-tech
I checked out that documentary on NOVA last night. It's really well done, as one might expect. I got through the first half of it. I too believe that the single full metal jacket round did all of the damage to both Kennedy and Connelly (sp?). It's the fatal head shot coming from Oswald's rifle, which was firing full metal jacket rounds, that I dispute, at this point. A full metal jacket round would not typically (if ever) cause that much damage upon exiting, even with some yawing (sp?). But, you never know, once I see the second half of he NOVA documentary, I may change my mind.
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By the way, I watched CBS Face The Nation on Sunday. At the end of the program, the host mentioned that beginning on Friday afternoon at 1:30pm eastern time, CBSNews.com will air the full, original 1963 coverage, which will run for 4 days straight through Kennedy's funeral on Monday the 25th.
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I don't put much stock in the witnesses' reports.
Witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially during a trauma or tragedy.
I've mentioned before, there was even a witness that claimed the Kennedys had a little dog in the backseat with them.
I can't tell time during the regular day, I can't imagine trying to estimate time intervals after I just saw a man's head explode.
The call to move the body came from RFK... his grieving brother who wanted to protect his family, and get his sister in law back home to be with the children. It was the call of a grieving family, not the government.There are also claims that his body was tampered with to make it conform to the story.
Why the refusal to allow the doctor at Dallas perform the autopsy?
and the hurry to get his body oout of Dallas as quickly as possible?,
which the SS did at Gunpoint when there was opposition to them doing so.
Heck, there are reports of the Airforce One pilot being told to take off because the President was on board... but the pilot refused because The President (LBJ) wanted to be sworn in before lift off. In response the pilot was told that "MY President in the in the back" referring to Kennedy's body.
That should tell you the mindset on that plane, and the SS agents. It wasn't their job, it was their family.
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So, I watched the second half of that PBS Nova episode. With test performed, they have proven that the bullets from the rifle in question do deform when they hit skull bone and, therefore, can cause large exit wounds. Now, in my mind, there is a distinct possibility that Oswald's full metal jacket bullets from the Italian rifle he used could have caused the fatal wound to President Kennedy's head.
What happened, for certain, that day in November 1963? Who knows? I don't
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I just came across an interesting interview with Gerald Posner, a journalist who wrote a book that looks closely at Oswald's life which tends to get a bit glossed in all the debates about conspiracy. I think Posner makes a very interesting case - I never knew some of these details about Oswald, so if anyone is interested here's a link:
It's annoying, but for some reason there's no time counter online, but if you download the episode the interview starts about 40 minutes in.Comment
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I agree wtnesses can sometimes be an unreliable source of information.
But who determines or detemined that witness was unreliable?
Jean Hill,the witness you are refering to that seen the little dog has become a controversal witness because of other claims she made including more shots fired after the fatal head shot and seeing a shooter from the grassy knoll.
Her friend Mary Moorman was in the same location and heard three very fast shots,less than a second apart as she took her now famous Polaroid picture which captured the fatal head shot to the President.
They weren't alone,dozens of witnesses reported hearing addtional shots and shots fired from the grassy knoll area.
Jean is labeled unreliable because she made a mistake about seeing a live dog in the seat between the President and First Lady.
I'm sure you have seen these pictures.Some claim its a Lambchop puppet given to Mrs.Kennedy,others say its a stuffed toy dog of some sort,others say its just white flowers.
I dont know for sure but it sure looks like a dog to me in this picture.
Jean could have mistaken whatever this is as a dog.
Does that one easy to make mistake make her unreliable when her other claims are backed by dozens of witnesses?
Or are all these witnesses unreliable because there story didn't fit the 'official' version of what happened?
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I've never read who ordered JFK's body moved.I did read that Jackie refused to leave without her husband and it may have been RFK.
Emotions were very high and the conflict at the hospital may have seemed more sinister than it actually was to some people.
I do think LBJ was very unfeeling of the situation,insisting to be sworn in before the plane took off.
He had already acceded to the Presidency when JFK died.
I think the official swearing in could have waited for a more apropriate time.Comment
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^I think they swore LBJ in so fast was because they didn't want a gap in power for too long. Who knows what the Soviets would have done in the meantime?Comment
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Interesting new information by a police offier who was there when it happened, but was never contacted by the Warren Commission. Definitely gives some insight into how Ruby got through security to Oswald. The police had a vendetta for Oswald killing one of their own, so they let Ruby in and looked the other way. Fascinating interview.
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You're right, that is a very good interview.
It's all of these people's stories and the other circumstances that make you wonder what really happened. Is it something as straight forward as Oswald being the lone gunman and no conspiracy or is it something entirely different?
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