Shoplifter strangled to death by clerk for stealing...crayons?

[Hulk]

Some of you people scare me. I'll let you figure it who you are yourselves.

[ctc]

>He got killed because he stole and then fought when trying to be held for the cops.

See; that's one of the things we don't know. A lot could have happened. How far did the clerk chase him? What exactly killed the guy? Did the clerk crush his trachea? Pinch off an artery? Cause stress that aggrivated a heretounknown embolism? Did he chase this guy down and in doing so leave the till unattended?

I hate that we never get all the details from the news.

Don C.

[Meule]

he dead because he stole ,he dead because he committed a crime.he dead because he was not brought up right.He's dead because he choose a path that was wrong .he's dead because he did something criminal that cause his death.He's dead because he is not a victim.
not color of his skin.

No offence, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's dead because he stole? He's dead because stealing caused his death? No, he's dead because some clerk wanted to be a hero for stopping someone who stole $5 worth of crap that didn't belong to that clerk in the first place. Is stealing wrong? Of course it is, but are we gonna shoot every thief from now on?

[Meule]

Good riddance little basterd and future bank robber...

That's harsh, man

[Doc]

No offence, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's dead because he stole? He's dead because stealing caused his death? No, he's dead because some clerk wanted to be a hero for stopping someone who stole $5 worth of crap that didn't belong to that clerk in the first place. Is stealing wrong? Of course it is, but are we gonna shoot every thief from now on?

No we could just slap him on the wrist and keep sending him on his way.
And when he moves to bigger things maybe we can give him a few small county bids A few weeks here a month or so there.

We can put him in a place where he will learn to hate the system and learn from other criminals

And when he moves up to the really big time we can all scratch our heads and wonder why this happened.

Spent time on the other side of the bars and could tell you exactly what the majority on the other side thinks and you all wouldn't like it.

[toys2cool]

No offence, but that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's dead because he stole? He's dead because stealing caused his death? No, he's dead because some clerk wanted to be a hero for stopping someone who stole $5 worth of crap that didn't belong to that clerk in the first place. Is stealing wrong? Of course it is, but are we gonna shoot every thief from now on?

I'm serious man, it's freakin toothpaste and crayons....I don't it,how people could justify this

[toys2cool]

Good riddance little basterd and future bank robber...

lol! come on, I know there's no way you would ever think that way

[megoat]

I wonder how all you anti-thievery types feel about illegal downloading? Is this crime worthy of corporal punishment as well? How about snagging a single Brach's butterscotch drop from the bulk candy bin and not paying for it? Should I be drawn and quartered for such an offense? I must confess, I've done this a time or two. How 'bout bootleg DVD's, I believe I own a few of those, too. If I were to be shived for owning my Batman '66 DVD's would this be okay with you "tough on crime" folks?

The dude stole toothpaste.

[jwyblejr]

If I'm reading the articles right,the guy took more than one tube. Who needs that much? The dude should have just bummed a buck off his wife and bought the stuff at Dollar Tree.

[huedell]

I wonder how all you anti-thievery types feel about illegal downloading? Is this crime worthy of corporal punishment as well? How about snagging a single Brach's butterscotch drop from the bulk candy bin and not paying for it? Should I be drawn and quartered for such an offense? I must confess, I've done this a time or two. How 'bout bootleg DVD's, I believe I own a few of those, too. If I were to be shived for owning my Batman '66 DVD's would this be okay with you "tough on crime" folks?

The dude stole toothpaste.

Illegal downloading? Bootleg DVDs?
The guy was in a store and got killed while comitting a crime.

You and others are deflecting from the fact that the guy was
accidentally killed in a situation that HE started by comitting a crime
by bringing up rough analogies and repeating that it was a petty crime.

It was a CRIME that was "overhandled" in the heat of the moment
and altho' the clerk may be liable for involuntary manslaughter charges....
what happened was just a result of an overexcited clerk, yes...but
was also a result of a stupid theif
....if there were less of those around, yes, the world WOULD be a better place.

The guilty party here is not a murderous clerk looking to declare his own law,
it was a small time crook who got more than he bargained for.

[toys2cool]

Illegal downloading? Bootleg DVDs?
The guy was in a store and got killed while comitting a crime.

You and others are deflecting from the fact that the guy was
accidentally killed in a situation that HE started by comitting a crime
by bringing up rough analogies and repeating that it was a petty crime.

It was a CRIME that was "overhandled" in the heat of the moment
and altho' the clerk may be liable for involuntary manslaughter charges....
what happened was just a result of an overexcited clerk, yes...but
was also a result of a stupid theif
....if there were less of those around, yes, the world WOULD be a better place.

The guilty party here is not a murderous clerk looking to declare his own law,
it was a small time crook who got more than he bargained for.

in the end the guy still killed someone over a freakin box of crayons and tooth paste, could you imagine living with yourself knowing you took a life for that ****?

Now the dumb *** will probably get fired anyways after trying to be a hero and save the store $5

[SlipperyLilSuckers]

No we could just slap him on the wrist and keep sending him on his way.
And when he moves to bigger things maybe we can give him a few small county bids A few weeks here a month or so there.

We can put him in a place where he will learn to hate the system and learn from other criminals

And when he moves up to the really big time we can all scratch our heads and wonder why this happened.

Spent time on the other side of the bars and could tell you exactly what the majority on the other side thinks and you all wouldn't like it.

So, we should just kill him and move right along?

I guess you could have been killed for whatever crime you committed too.

[Meule]

Illegal downloading? Bootleg DVDs?
The guy was in a store and got killed while comitting a crime.

You and others are deflecting from the fact that the guy was
accidentally killed in a situation that HE started by comitting a crime
by bringing up rough analogies and repeating that it was a petty crime.

It was a CRIME that was "overhandled" in the heat of the moment
and altho' the clerk may be liable for involuntary manslaughter charges....
what happened was just a result of an overexcited clerk, yes...but
was also a result of a stupid theif
....if there were less of those around, yes, the world WOULD be a better place.

The guilty party here is not a murderous clerk looking to declare his own law,
it was a small time crook who got more than he bargained for.

Hue, think for a minute about what you're saying here. No one said the thief was in the right, of course he committed a crime.
But he stole CRAYONS and TOOTHPASTE, worth $5. And he shoplifted it, meaning he consealed the goods and tried to walk out the store, he didn't threaten anyone, didn't hold anyone at gun point. The clerk's reaction was totally over the top.
Besides, how in the world do you strangle someone trying to subdue him? Ever been in a fight, with your brother or someone else? Ever tried holding someone down on the ground? I have, and my hands were never anywhere near the other guy's throat. I'm thinking the clerk got a little too ****ed off at the thied and totally overreacted.

[Meule]

No we could just slap him on the wrist and keep sending him on his way.
And when he moves to bigger things maybe we can give him a few small county bids A few weeks here a month or so there.

We can put him in a place where he will learn to hate the system and learn from other criminals

And when he moves up to the really big time we can all scratch our heads and wonder why this happened.

Spent time on the other side of the bars and could tell you exactly what the majority on the other side thinks and you all wouldn't like it.

Who said anything about letting thiefs get away with stealing?
All we're saying is stealing doesn't deserve the death penalty. Maybe you think it does?

[JDeRouen]

Most store policies specifically forbid getting physically involved with a thief. I know when I worked for Chevron some twenty odd years ago, that was the case. In fact, some teenagers stole beer once. I called the police and they actually managed to catch them and brought them back to the store. (The manager refused to press charges because then the beer would have to be held in evidence and thus wouldn't be available for sale. Sad but true!) They were let go with a warning and told never to enter the store again.

If I had physically intervened I would have put myself and, by extension, the store at liability, and probably have gotten myself fired.

Anyone that compares this to someone breaking into your home is way off base. It isn't the same thing at all. Your home is your property and you have a right to use force to defend it; the store is not, and you do not. The clerk had no responsibility nor right to do what he did, and should be prosecuted for it.

p.s. I'm going to strangle the next person who spells "thief" incorrectly.