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Last edited by huedell; May 15, '10, 6:43 PM."No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris Mannix -
"No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris MannixComment
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Look at it this way; say a passerby on the street noticed someone jaywalking, and, because jaywalking is illegal, pulled out a gun and shot him. Would the homicide be justified? Sure, the example is extreme, but it does make a point.--
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Until the guy leaves the store, it ISN"T shoplifting. You can load your pockets up all you want then go to the register and pay for it. Until you exit the building it isn't stealing. It looks like the guy did leave the building. SO he's a petty thief, it's a misdeamanor. That doesn't justify killing him. What the heck people??
If the guy had an opportunity to struggle then it was a poorly applied choke hold. There are 2 types, a blood choke where you cut off the blood supply to the head causing the person to pass out and an air choke where you pretty much crush the esophagus. Either one is quite effective and takes about 3-5 seconds to complete. Anything longer is sloppy. Either way, choke holds are no joke and can often cause the person to stop breathing even when that wasn't what the person applying the hold intended. It was a poor choice by the clerk.
Most stores don't want you to do anything even if you see someone stealing. It simply isn't worth it. That could've backfired miserably and the clerk might have died protecting his crayons. Like someone said, clerks don't get paid enuf for that risk.
So what if the guy got had gotten away? This is not a justified case of self defense or home invasion, it's a freakin store, and 5 bucks worth of stuff. That loser clerk should be held accountable for his poor application of restraint.Last edited by SUP-Ronin; May 15, '10, 7:30 PM."Steel-like jaws clacked away, each bite slashing flesh from my body - I used my knife and my hands, and when they were gone, my bloody stumps - and yet the turtles came."Comment
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You steal you go and have a finger surgically removed. The cost of sugery done humanly is far less then supporting said person through jail time. And honestly no one gets any kind of help in jail.
The next theft they lose the hand. They can still work and function in society with one hand. and I'm sure they will think twice after the finger.
Rape ... surgical castration. Sex offenders cannot be cured. Meds only work if you actually take them.
Murder. First offense or one person. Jail time with option of parole. Second offense or more then one body. Death
And yes I did what I did and would take a similar appropriate punishmentComment
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Say your in your yard working with your garage door open. You see a guy leaving your garage stuffing something in his pants. You run him down and tackle him. he hits his head on the ground and dies. DO you think you should be charged with murder and called head bashing killer?Comment
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This is nothing like what happened with the CVS clerk. It wasn't his home, no one was stealing his property, no one was in his garage.--
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Sorry not in the eyes of the law. He was the Manager and his store is his "house" according to the law. SO it does apply.Comment
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Where did you get your information? Everything I've ever read tells me differently. If you have a specific federal or state law that supports your case, I'd be happy to read it.--
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The second link doesn't say much of anything other than opinions; the pertinent information from the first link - legalese from Illinois - is this:
"Any person may arrest another when he or she has
reasonable grounds to believe that an offense other than an ordinance
violation is being committed."
None of this states that your place of employment is akin to your home, nor does it give citizens the right to .
mete out justice in the form of strangling someone to death.--
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Your assuming that the thief was not fighting and that the Manger was just trying to hold on to him, so he couldn't hurt him. Obviously the the thief was fighting because 3 other people had to intervene also. This Clerk/Manager will lose his job and may even be charged, even after the police did not charge him, but because of politics. But I bet no jury convicts on anything serious.
Also the second link is very relevant, it also happened in Chicago and it was over petty theft. There where no charges filed against those people and the one citizen forearmed him in the throat and kicked him in the gut. No charges.Last edited by Zemo; May 15, '10, 8:29 PM.Comment
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