This week's Flash episode was great!

[Earth 2 Chris]

My son caught it before me. Made me so proud!

I wonder if Wally isn't going to stumble onto that formula. It would be a good way to get Kid Flash and avoid the "your origin is the same as mine!" trope.

Chris

[Hector]

^I really like Barry, but sometimes I want to punch him in his perfect teeth. Wait, wrong thing. I want to smack him a bit. He's so dumb sometimes. BUT, he's human, and he makes mistakes. In the end, I like that.

Chris

Truer words have never been spoken...

[Mego Magyar]

My guess is that Jessie will come back and see the speed formula and that will trigger her connection with the speed force from the volicity nine in her system

[johnnystorm]

Agree with you...the speed formula belongs only to a " Quick".

Giving Barry advice to follow is like talking to a deaf man.
" On Earth2 don't get involved with anyone"... "When you time travel don't tell anyone"..." Don't do anything to alter the past"...

To paraphrase the words of Dr. Henry Jones Sr.. "I may as well have sent the Marx Brothers!"


Hey Barry! Here's a few more:

Don't cross the streams!
Don't feed the gremlins after midnight!
Don't mess around with Jim!

[PNGwynne]

I missed this week's episode. I like Garrick a great deal in the comics ; I don't like the idea of him as an addict or villain in the TV show.

[Hector]

Here you go, Barry...

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/the-flash-messed-up-the-space-time-082939641.html

[johnnystorm]

In the comics, Barry mucking about in the timestream caused the whole New52 Flashpoint things, so...would have been funny if he returned on the show and everyone was wearing shirts with those goofy Jim Lee nu52 collars.
And why is Barry handing out romance advice? He did SO well with Patty (miss her she was a hottie!).

[Hector]

No one talking about Flash anymore?

There goes Barry again, not listening to Wells, lol.

However, great episode, very intense...Zoom is one great villain.

Thoughts?

[MIB41]

I found it hard to believe Wells would flat out give away Barry's speed without some kind of wrinkle in that equation. There was a bit too much angst there on his part and waaaaaaay too much trust on Zoom's part. And yeah I have to agree with you Hector. Barry seems a tad too impulsive to muck things up with this very broad sense of responsibility that doesn't really hold any salt to each of these situations. I realize they're trying to build this hero sensibility in him, but he seems to sacrifice his family on some often misguided ideals that serve to do everyone around him more harm than good. If ever there was a guy who should wear a shirt that says, " Let it go" it's Barry.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I still love this show, but I'm really starting to dislike the fact that Barry screws up every single time he tries something. He needs a win every once in a while.

I'm hoping Zoom was lying, at least partially. If they've really screwed the character of Jay Garrick over like this...well, EARTH 2 Chris isn't going to be too happy.

Here's hoping the "Man in the Iron Mask" sheds some positive light on the character.

Chris

[knight errant00]

I'm hoping Zoom was lying, at least partially. If they've really screwed the character of Jay Garrick over like this...well, EARTH 2 Chris isn't going to be too happy.

I hope so, too. But given the ep started with a flashback, and not Zoom/Zolomon narrating, I'm tending to think they've sacrificed E2 Flash for a shock reveal. Earth-Prime Knight isn't happy either.

Here's hoping the "Man in the Iron Mask" sheds some positive light on the character.

Sadly, I'm not hopeful for Jay here, either. Except . . . I did have a realization that we've seen everything from Barry's crossing the dimensional rift visions except for . . .

1990 Flash . . .

Could the man in the iron mask be John Wesley Shipp, as Barry or Henry or some other alternate-world Flash? We've already seen this world has its own Tina McGee. Maybe, especially given Zoom's speech on it, he'll come in and in the end take on the E2 Flash costume to restore hope to that world?

[Earth 2 Chris]

^Yeah, I was thinking it may be Shipp. He doesn't look big enough, but then Zoom looked bigger than Teddy Sears, so...

Shipp has been VERY absent from this season. Honestly, I wish Zoom had been revealed to be the Earth-2 Henry Allen. Sigh.

Chris

[palitoy]

I was disappointed the show did this big heel turn again. We did the "Barry's mentor secretly wants to kill him" thing last year.

[johnnystorm]

I agree Barry needs to win decisively more often. And on his own, without team effort all the time. He's supposed to be a highly educated forensic scientist.

Speaking of highly educated...so everyone on E2 knows something about serial killer Hunter Zolomon, Wells can pull up his wikipedia page ir whatever, AND NOBODY RECOGNIZES HIM AS JAY GARRICK??!!?. There was a freakin' statue of him on E2! REALLY!?! And then they all sit around with Zoom chatting about his plan. Surprised they didn't get more pizza. And the speed stealing which doesn't even sound plausible...it's like a liquid you can siphon off and inject? Really? My car battery is bigger!


And now we see that Jay's whole Golden Age Flash outfit was his Dad's Army uniform? Really? Way to ruin the classic helmet.
Time revenent? What? Bogus science makes no sense.
Caitlyn never told anyone about Jay's doppleganger?
52 possible breaches and Cisco opens the one in Zoom's office?

So hoping the Iron Mask is the real Jay and he becomes the positive mentor Barry has in the comics. But I'm afraid we'll get Wally2 or Henry Flash and then next year another Earth's Jay, thereby giving usva season of angst and mistrust similar to what we have with E2 Wells this year.

This was the worst episode all season. The problem with dragging out the plotlines and then trying to wrap it all up for the finale. They should just do a villain of the week for awhile, and less of this epic saga stuff. Or do two stories without interruption/filler episodes, one story run & done per each 1/2 of the season. And cut down the cast to necessary people only. 80s Flash was him & Tina. The current DC shows have a cast of hundreds.

[sprytel]

The part that got me was: Cisco vibes open the portal and Zoom comes through. But then he leaves the barn door open so Zoom can go steal Wally and take him back to Earth-2?

And the logic was just baffling...

Ok, Hunter was made evil from an incident in his childhood that led to him becoming a supervillain. Clearly, Barry is going to travel back in time to stop Hunter's mom from being murdered, thus changing the "origin story of Zoom". That would be a neat parallel with his own origin story with the Reverse Flash... Nope.

So he uses his family history to catch him off guard. Surely, he won't sit around and monologue until Zoom can escape... Nope.

Ok, well he is making a deal to exchange his speed force. But we already know the Velocity 9 is killing Zoom. I bet he pretends to give him his speed force, but really gives him a super dose of Velocity 9. Zoom thinks it is Flash's speed, but really he has been poisoned to death... Nope.

Oh, and to top it all off: the Iris and Barry thing! It has always been uninteresting at best, and pseudo-incestuous at worst. I was so glad they had finally moved on. We saw Barry with Patty and it was a million times better. Iris (who I am still not a huge fan of) has been way more interesting since she has moved from love interest to one of the gang. And then, almost out of nowhere, we get that crappy "I'm secretly in love with Barry" confession. Gah.

That episode was just full of bad writing!