Dark Knight Rises spoilers thread

[boss]

Just saw it and liked it. I think it wrapped up things nicely. The only thing that bugged me was the timeline, but since it's just a movie... I let that go. ;-)

[darklord1967]

I saw TDKR today and can't even begin to express my utter disappointment about this movie. I had such faith in Nolan for giving us two GREAT Batman movies...and then to end on this note is such a bummer.
I have always said that Comic Book to movie adaptions have to take a few liberties with story lines in order to tell a coherent story within a 2 or so hour time frame...but as long as the characters "act like themselves"...stay true to the comic counterparts...then I'm fine with it.

This is NOT my Batman! It's like Nolan forgot who Batman really is...and this movie just throws all he did before right out the window. I just can't say anymore about it at this time because I'm just so let down.

I'm now glad Nolan is leaving the franchise...bring on the reboot! Give it to Bruce Tim!

I pretty much felt the same way you describe here about The Dark Knight when I first saw it. And this latest film, "The Dark Knight Rises" makes TDK (which I hated) look like a masterpiece.

I expect a LOT more from a Batman film than a really LONG and BORING rip-off of the storyline from Rocky III. Sylvester Stallone should sue.

Maybe now we'll get a Batman film that is much truer to the comic book character and doesn't work so hard to be "real" (resulting in a movie that is "real dull")

My God, I cannot get over how painfully dull this turd of a movie turned out to be!

[bigphill]

I liked the movie, but it didn't leave me with the same expression I had after seeing The Dark Knight. I live in Pittsburgh, so seeing the city turned into gotham was good, as well as the steelers. I didn't like the Superman trailer.....but back to batman. I liked catwoman, but I would have prefered someone else played here. Catwoman is supposed to come off as very seductive/sensual, and at no part did I feel that from her character. But she did a good job. Bane was good, but his fight scenes with batman were weak. I would have liked to see Robin put on the costume, and from a visual standpoint it would have been really dope to see scarecrow in his mask while he passed judgement. All in all it was a very good movie. I still think that a reboot is foolish, put him in the justice league movie...

[Earth 2 Chris]

There was a recent interview with Chuck Dixon and Graham Nolan where they stated that they have approached DC several times with new story ideas for Bane but DC wants nothing to do with them...but are more than willing to keep reprinting their old stuff...

Unfortunately, DC seems to have blacklisted a good number of folks who helped make them a tidy profit in the 80s and 90s, including Norm Breyfogle, who is now drawing for Archie! Meanwhile, they'll take script from any writer Bob Harras had at Marvel during the same time. Sheesh.

Chris

[madmarva]

^While there was advance notice that this film would conclude a trilogy, I didn't expect Nolan to wrap it up and tie it so well into particularly "Begins" as well as "DK." And while in my mind this film isn't quite up to the level of the other two as an individual piece, it did a great job of unifying the three films and completing the story. It was very satisfying because it did complete a story and was so optimistic. I think super-hero stories have in many ways lost the happy ending because of the serial nature of the stories as well as the overall darkening of the genre in an attempt to inject realism. But, the film really made the series work as a trilogy and it delivered the darkness, the illusion of realism and the happy ending.

I may be dead wrong, but I think it might be easier to reboot Batman since Nolan did such a fine job of closing the loose ends. It might open the door to the costume revolving back to one more like the comics, but probably not. However, with the success of the trilogy, there may be a desire or even imperative from the suits to do a John Blake as Batman film.

Like Earth 2 Chris, I loved the Earth 2-type ending with Selina and Bruce together. One of the few nice things about the New 52 is that the Huntress is back to being Batman's daughter.

The Joker as judge is something we've seen on the animated series and at least one cover, but I seem to remember other images besides the one below, but I'm glad the scene was there because it was a hoot and good to see Crane/Scarecrow again.
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I'm looking forward to going to see this again but this time in IMAX.

[MIB41]

Emeraldknight and I saw the IMAX showing Saturday at 3:30 and were absolutely mesmerized by the well thought out (and ultimately optimistic) ending. I especially liked the statue since it's appearance was a nice nod to the comics. While Dark Knight was the most depressing in the series, it certainly was necessary to set up what turned out to be a truly classic finale to this tale. I like the fact Nolan built this Batman to model something not necessarily real but hyper-real. It felt more grounded although the third installment did (and wisely so) inject a little more comic authority to the ride, which helped counter balance the Batman's struggle. How hard it will be to reboot this series since it has generated such huge profits for Warner Bros. You have to wonder if the studio will wisely pick up a whole new look or stay close to the cosmetics of this series. In my eyes, I think you need to respect Nolan's accomplishment here and start from scratch with a new outfit, car, the works. This was a great series and deserves the praise it is getting. A thoughtful, intelligent, and remarkably unique series of films in a genre that has gotten a bit predictable in it's own story sensibilities. Now we get to wait and see what story treatment Nolan has given to Superman. No, he doesn't direct it, but his ideas are on the written page.

[Earth 2 Chris]

From my understanding, the Nolans and Goyer didn't really have this story mapped out at all until after Ledger's death, and DK's release. So I don't think they ever considered what Joker's role would be here. But one has to wonder...

Glad most folks are liking it, and folks are going out and seeing it.

Chris

[kingdom warrior]

Oh and bane did sound like Sean Connery......

[kingdom warrior]

What a thrill ride!.. great third movie, really well written... it moved very well and there was not a dull moment. This one connected well with the first movie. everyone was great, Hathaway pulled Catwoman off very well. I was expecting Bane to say I kill You I eat your heart! He reminded me more of the Mutant leader from Miller's Dark knight. Levitt was awesome but really they should have just called him Grayson sheeesh! For me this ones the best one and it ended very nicely and makes it a very satisfying trilogy................now wait a few years and reboot it and do something different.......

[spacecaps]

I saw this last night and didn't realize I was about to watch the greatest superhero movie ever filmed. This movie was awesome. It's very rare that the third installment of a trilogy is the best in the series (nothing is coming to mind except maybe Last Crusade and that's debatable) but this movie not only blew away any comic book movie made, it also made the first two films in the series vastly better now that the story is complete. I always thought Begins was kindof a weak movie on it's own but with the tie in's and back story this film provided, Begins is a better movie than it was when it came out. Not many films can do that. This movie also takes Dark Knight from being Batman vs the Joker (with way too much Two-Face) and turns it into the perfect set-up movie for the finale and in the process takes the whole "Batman has to disappear for taking the fall for Dents murder' into a cliffhanger on par with the end of Empire. This was probably the most important movie in the last 20 years and man did it deliver. I heard some fan boys outside the theater griping about how Bruce would never give up being Batman but that's the point of these movies. It's like saying you didn't like the film because Bale didn't play the character the same as Adam West. It's a different series and a fresh look at the character is way better than say remaking a Spiderman movie with the same predictability as the first three films. This is what reboots should be about, a new take on an old character. As for the film itself, I didn't think it would be possible to top Ledger's Joker but Bane was terrifying. His threats were real. He's probably the best Batman villain to appear on screen. The peril he brought to Gotham was palpable and way beyond just bad guy vs. good guy. Also Catwoman was tremendous. She stole every scene she was in and it was nice to see Bruce and Selina finally end up together after almost every incarnation of Batman has teased this possibility, this one actually went through with it. The Robin story arc was great (who cares his name wasn't Dick) His story worked. In fact Rises may be the only comic book based movie to introduce and handle multiple characters without messing it up along the way. Look at say Spidey 3 with Sandman and Venom and Gwen and Harry and on and on...with a mess of a film to show for it. I could not care less about awards or Oscars but I really hope this film gets some kind of consideration for best picture and director because it'll be a long time before we see anything like these films again.

One thing..although the cast was perfect, to a 6 year old, Matthew Modine looks a whole lot like Aaron Eckhart and my son had trouble distinguishing the two apart and after he pointed this out to me, I have to agree with him. Not that I couldn't tell who was who, but after I had to explain to my son that the police man, wasn't Two-Face, I kind of wondered why they would cast an actor that looked so similar to him. (Great casting with the cameo ofy the mayor of Baltimore from The Wire and Game of Thrones though) Also, it's always gonna be a "what would have been" but with the way everyone from the first two movies showed up in this one, I can't help but wonder what kind of role Nolan had in mind for the Joker here.

[The Toyroom]

Chuck Dixon was pretty much THE Batman writers of the 90s, writing Detective, Robin, Nightwing and Birds of Prey at one time or another. After Denny O'Neil retired as editor, Dixon didn't seem to get along too well with Bob Schreck, and we the readers suffered for it.

No Man's Land was good in and of itself, but in the context of the DCU made little sense. That was my problem with it. The concept worked much better in Nolan's film, since Batman is the only costumed hero (that we know of). No Superman to come and solve the problem as he should have in the comics. I know DC addressed this somewhat, but it was pretty flimsy.

In addition to creating Bane, Dixon was also involved with the Legacy storyline, where Bane became a lieutenant of Ra's Al Ghul, foreshadowing the connection we see in the movie. Dixon penned most of the chapters involving Bane. Bane also became infatuated with Talia in this storyline.

There was a recent interview with Chuck Dixon and Graham Nolan where they stated that they have approached DC several times with new story ideas for Bane but DC wants nothing to do with them...but are more than willing to keep reprinting their old stuff...

[RickD]

I enjoyed the movie! Not quite "The Dark Knight" level, but it surpasses "Batman Begins" for sure.

Hardy played a great Bane. Bane's character was menacing and was perfect for this role in Nolans series.

Hathaway was fantastic as selina kyle. I loved that they never mentioned her as 'Catwoman' in the movie.

I agree, the ending stating John blake's name as 'Robin' was a bit cheesy. My biggest gripe is...Who is going to train Blake if Wayne is out the door? He can't just take over the role, have the batcave and all the toys, and not be trained as Wayne was.

DKR will be one that I can watch over and over again and for me that says alot!

Overall, Nolan paid wonderful tribute to the Batman movies and it will be hard to top anything he has done in my opinion.

I will continue to wait for a menacing Riddler in a Batman movie that is worth praising about...

[Earth 2 Chris]

Chuck Dixon was pretty much THE Batman writers of the 90s, writing Detective, Robin, Nightwing and Birds of Prey at one time or another. After Denny O'Neil retired as editor, Dixon didn't seem to get along too well with Bob Schreck, and we the readers suffered for it.

No Man's Land was good in and of itself, but in the context of the DCU made little sense. That was my problem with it. The concept worked much better in Nolan's film, since Batman is the only costumed hero (that we know of). No Superman to come and solve the problem as he should have in the comics. I know DC addressed this somewhat, but it was pretty flimsy.

In addition to creating Bane, Dixon was also involved with the Legacy storyline, where Bane became a lieutenant of Ra's Al Ghul, foreshadowing the connection we see in the movie. Dixon penned most of the chapters involving Bane. Bane also became infatuated with Talia in this storyline.

So DKR borrowed elements from Dark Knight Returns, No Man's Land, Knightfall, and Legacy, as well as various other Batman stories over the years.

Chris

[boynightwing]

I knew Hathaway was going to be good when I was forced to see Valentines Day with my girlfriend. Hathaway plays this bondage phone sex operator and it gives you a bit of insight that she can play someone with a dark side. I loved her Catwoman. I loved how she was at odds with her own morality. She stole the show for me.

I'd go see Nightwing Begins in a heartbeat. I guess that's pretty obvious. I loved the ending and I loved the possibilities that comes with it. If they made another movie following this I think it would be great because it's something we really haven't seen before.

[The Toyroom]

Saw it yesterday....I thoroughly enjoyed it, considering going in I really had no interest since the first two films were emotionally exhausting roller coaster rides. Gotham got darker and darker and what was the point in being Batman, it seemed like a dead-end job with no rewards, especially after he had to become the "badguy" at the end of TDK.
So Bale's Bruce Wayne at the beginning of TDKR, having given up 8 years ago, was sort of a metaphor for me as a viewer. As he struggled to make his way back as Batman, it won me over too by the final scenes.

Bane was a much more interesting villain than I ever would have thought since I always considered him a one-hit wonder ("Knightfall") and he's too "new" for me as far as
comics canon goes (although I realize he's been around for almost 20 years now). I thought that he deserved a better send-off/death-scene than he did though. But of course somebody else had to kill him besides Batman so I guess that was the way to go.

When Anne Hathaway was originally announced as Selina Kyle I thought she had the looks but wasn't sure if she could pull off the actual role. To me Julie Newmar has always been and probably always will be the ultimate Catwoman. But Hathaway totally owned the role with her riding of the fence 'tween good girl gone bad and bad girl turning good.
The costume could have used a bit more oomph IMO but it worked within the context of the Nolan Bat-iverse. I appreciated the fact that she was a formidable fighter on her own and didn't have to resort to a whip ala Michelle Pffeiffer's version. She was very believable as a notorious cat-burglar with her slinky athleticism and back-flips.

Miranda Tate/Talia fell way short for me...I never believed once that she was "hot" and that Bruce would fall for her...the actress did nothing for me. And I thought it was telegraphed pretty early on that she was Talia and that it was she that escaped from that prison, not Bane.

Once again Commissioner Gordon, Alfred and Lucius Fox were great supporting characters, although I was missing Alfred quite a bit after he left Bruce mid-movie.

John Blake...would it have killed them to just have named him Richard Grayson, instead of trying to beat you over the head with the reveal that his first name was really "Robin"?
That was the cheesiest part of the whole ending IMO. I didn't mind that Bruce Wayne decided to turn his Batman gear over to someone else but it would've been nice if it was an actual character in the Batman mythos instead of someone Nolan made up. And if he does take over the cape and cowl exactly how far is he going to get without Wayne resources to back him up? Or will Lucius Fox give him new toys just for the hell of it?

All in all, Nolan's Batman series is probably the greatest super-hero trilogy but to be fair what else even qualifies? Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man? Nope. Christopher Reeve's Superman (which was four movies, two of which suck)? Nope. Burton's Batman (four movies, two directors, 3 Batmen, descent into campiness)? Nope. Downey Jr's Iron Man?
Well, the third movie isn't out yet but I doubt it. So it's really not a fair playing field but I guess that's why, even more so, you have to give Nolan credit for having a vision and seeing it through for all 3 movies which intersect with each other and tell a complete and ultimately satisfying, although not 100% perfect, Batman story.

But to me, I don't think the ultimate Batman movie has been made yet...it probably never will be. Seems movie executives aren't interested in a Batman that isn't always dark and somber, has a TEEN sidekick, drives a vehicle that isn't a tank, and fights colorful villains and monsters on a regular basis. I guess that's what BTAS is for. So for all intents and purposes, Christopher Nolan's Batman is THE movie Batman, until someone else comes along to prove otherwise.