Stan Lee gets star on Hollywood Walk of Fame

[enyawd72]

Congrats to a man who has brought a lot of joy to the world through his many wonderful creations!

Excelsior!

[kingdom warrior]

Correction through his wonderful CO-CREATIONS. Now Next to him should Be Jack Kirby,Steve Ditko and company without whom Lee's star is NOT possible........

[Earth 2 Chris]

^Yep. But I guess Stan deserves a star for also being Marvel's publisher, spokesman, and executive producer on every Marvel project...ever.

But it'd be great to see Jack get on at the very least.

Chris

[enyawd72]

Correction through his wonderful CO-CREATIONS. Now Next to him should Be Jack Kirby,Steve Ditko and company without whom Lee's star is NOT possible........

Sorry. Stan Lee CREATED the characters...the other guys just drew them.
The books would have been just as popular if drawn by Joe Shmoe. Spider-man got even BETTER when Ditko left and John Romita took over.

That's not to say Kirby and Ditko weren't talented, but come on. Lee was the brain behind everything. Without his ideas and stories, the artists would've had nothing to draw.

[kingdom warrior]

Sorry. Stan Lee CREATED the characters...the other guys just drew them.
The books would have been just as popular if drawn by Joe Shmoe. Spider-man got even BETTER when Ditko left and John Romita took over.

That's not to say Kirby and Ditko weren't talented, but come on. Lee was the brain behind everything. Without his ideas and stories, the artists would've had nothing to draw.

No sir, Kirby co-created most of those marvel Characters check your comic book history.

Captain America is a Simon and Kirby creation
Spiderman- was co created with Ditko. (although Kirby was originally slated to draw it and drew the Famous Amazing Fantasy cover)Romita is a great Illustrator and gave Spidey a more commercial look compared to Ditko's version Also look up the Silver Spider by Joe Simon there you will find the genesis of Spider-Man
Namor is a Bill Everett Creation.
The Human Torch is a reworked version of Carl Burgess Torch

and NOPE had Kirby not worked on those they would have not been as popular because Kirby drew those stories with merely a plot to go with. Kirby added his touch to it.....Stan got the art back and added words to Kirby's images.

Kirby was one of the top artist of the time and his page speed was and for the most part to this day unequaled.

Also check Stan's creations before he worked with Kirby and after.
Lee created NOT one important hero before or after........

[Cmonster]

Sorry. Stan Lee CREATED the characters...the other guys just drew them.
The books would have been just as popular if drawn by Joe Shmoe. Spider-man got even BETTER when Ditko left and John Romita took over.

That's not to say Kirby and Ditko weren't talented, but come on. Lee was the brain behind everything. Without his ideas and stories, the artists would've had nothing to draw.

Dude,

You are totally speaking out of your rectum here. It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the FACTS. The media, and what you see on Entertainment Tonight or whatever, is programming you to believe that Stan Lee is some kind of genius, when he's really an old, talentless, fool, who takes credit for the work of the truly inspired artists he HIRES, because he has a lot of money. He himself, cannot draw a straight line or write greeting card, let alone a comic book. What he's "created" over the years with Marvel, is a group of talented, visionary, artists and artisans, who built his empire with THEIR own hands.

Now, that being said; Does it take a certain skill to do that? Sure it does, but what Stan Lee has taken credit for AND been GIVEN credit for in this industry, is a joke. Anyone who's ever worked for him or around him, quickly gets the sense that he's a bumbling idiot, with a cool voice, who's often charismatic enough to catch people's attention with some catchy sayings and his stories.

Please, don't even get me started on this. With me, or ANY artist who's ever worked for him or Walt Disney or any of those other megalomaniacs, it's a very sore subject. These men have made billions of dollars on other people's talent, creativity, and hard work, and then have the AUDACITY to take credit for it. They create while these slick idiots play golf and drink mimosas with studio executives. He can take his Hollywood walk of fame star and shove it up his old, wrinkled, arse.

SC

[kingdom warrior]

Dude,

You are totally speaking out of your rectum here. It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the FACTS. The media, and what you see on Entertainment Tonight or whatever, is programming you to believe that Stan Lee is some kind of genius, when he's really an old, talentless, fool, who takes credit for the work of the truly inspired artists he HIRES, because he has a lot of money. He himself, cannot draw a straight line or write greeting card, let alone a comic book. What he's "created" over the years with Marvel, is a group of talented, visionary, artists and artisans, who built his empire with THEIR own hands.

Now, that being said; Does it take a certain skill to do that? Sure it does, but what Stan Lee has taken credit for AND been GIVEN credit for in this industry, is a joke. Anyone who's ever worked for him or around him, quickly gets the sense that he's a bumbling idiot, with a cool voice, who's often charismatic enough to catch people's attention with some catchy sayings and his stories.

Please, don't even get me started on this. With me, or ANY artist who's ever worked for him or Walt Disney or any of those other megalomaniacs, it's a very sore subject. These men have made billions of dollars on OUR talent, creativity, and hard work. We create while they play golf and drink mimosas with studio executives. He can take his Hollywood walk of fame star and shove it up his old, wrinkled, arse.

SC

Damn....I couldn't have said that better....

[Brazoo]

I'm with Cmonster 100%.

[Earth 2 Chris]

I'm with him about 80%. I think Lee has taken way too much credit, but I do think he contributed to Marvel's early success, and the creation of many of it's main characters. I think Kirby, Ditko, and all of the rest of the bullpen got the shaft due to Lee hogging the spotlight though. It didn't help that he was the nephew of Marvel's original owner/publisher, Martin Goodman.

I don't consider Lee quite the rip-off artist that Bob Kane has been revealed to be. Lee may have taken too much credit at times, but he never outright denied the contributions of Kirby, Ditko, etc. like Kane did Bill Finger.

Chris

[enyawd72]

Whatever.

Stan Lee is a talentless fool? Who came up with the very IDEA of

Spider-man? Which his publisher didn't even want.
Fantastic Four?
X-Men, and the concept of mutants in comics?
Daredevil?
Hulk?
Iron Man?

Yeah, those were all really bad ideas. You Kirby Kultists who hate on Stan Lee are just ****ed because he's more recognizable.
Stan Lee has ALWAYS given credit to the artists he worked with for their contributions, but you have the AUDACITY to act like Lee did nothing?

Puh-leeze.

Rant away in your rebuttals...I won't be reading them.

[kingdom warrior]

I'm with him about 80%. I think Lee has taken way too much credit, but I do think he contributed to Marvel's early success, and the creation of many of it's main characters. I think Kirby, Ditko, and all of the rest of the bullpen got the shaft due to Lee hogging the spotlight though. It didn't help that he was the nephew of Marvel's original owner/publisher, Martin Goodman.

I don't consider Lee quite the rip-off artist that Bob Kane has been revealed to be. Lee may have taken too much credit at times, but he never outright denied the contributions of Kirby, Ditko, etc. like Kane did Bill Finger.

Chris

True, I was shocked myself how very little Kane did and gave everyone who worked with him the royal shaft.

Lee only admitted it because of the times and things came out exposing that he wasn't as great as he made UP himself to be. when you read the Origin of marvel comics and son of Origins he made it like he was the sole creator......he got outed over time and being the boob he is just laughed it off.....

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

I think, regardless of how much input he actually had with the characters, Stan DID cfreate Marvel; the whole attitude, presentation, etc. His hyperbolic hyperbole struck a chord with the fans of the day, and his editorials and comments personified a lot of the crew working there. Sure, DC had editorials, letters and behind the scenes bits (they had a whole BOOK dedicated to 'em for a while) but nobody did the foaming at the mouth, over the top dialectics like Stan. And it was that sort of thing that made Marvel different from the other guys. (I'd consider him the Ed Roth of the superhero set.)

Don C.
Don C.

[SlipperyLilSuckers]

I am surprised he didn't already have one.

[huedell]

Hmmmm....

I think, regardless of how much input he actually had with the characters, Stan DID cfreate Marvel; the whole attitude, presentation, etc. His hyperbolic hyperbole struck a chord with the fans of the day, and his editorials and comments personified a lot of the crew working there. Sure, DC had editorials, letters and behind the scenes bits (they had a whole BOOK dedicated to 'em for a while) but nobody did the foaming at the mouth, over the top dialectics like Stan. And it was that sort of thing that made Marvel different from the other guys. (I'd consider him the Ed Roth of the superhero set.)

Don C.
Don C.

This is what matters.

This is what deserves a star.

Stan Lee is an icon and a spokesperson.... his very essence IS Hollywood.

All the artists that Stan Lee worked with may have had the talents...
and many arrtists involved may have been too unsung or
too underrated.... but it just doesn't matter in this particular issue.

Just because you are angry at Stan Lee does not change this.

Hollywood is unfair. Life is unfair. If you think someone deserves something reverent, then your reverence should be good enough.
Whether Hollywood voters put a star on a street or not shouldn't
matter so much.

[Cmonster]

Hollywood is unfair. Life is unfair. If you think someone deserves something reverent, then your reverence should be good enough. Whether Hollywood voters put a star on a street or not shouldn't
matter so much.

You know something, Hue... That's probably one of the more poignant and profound things you or anyone else has ever said about Hollywood. I still don't like you, but bravo, sir. Very well said.

SC