Wonder Woman...No respect?

[Riffster]

I haven't hated any version of Wonder woman. I think I like this version a bit more.Genocide can be a great villian for her as well as Cheetah. Doc psycho is good as long as he's in his own body, the idea he can be anyone was dumb.

I think they just need to find a balance between warrior and woman. she has a great supporting cast. fix the Zues god thing and it should be fine

[The Toyroom]

Ya know Toyroom...you said "...with Supes in 3rd (which also says something
about Superman lately). " as far as the "badass" quality...isn't that how it
SHOULD be? Batman and WW have to be the tough guys, so Supes
can remain the most powerful, but the most innocent.

Yeah, this is kind of a threadjack for Supes sake---so I'll add in the fact that I don't think WW should be portrayed in ANY OTHER WAY
except as a badass warrior.

To me, WW is "I am woman hear me roar" or nothing.

Nope...when push comes to shove I think Batman should be feared most (he IS Batman after all) and Supes 2nd. Supes is without a doubt the most powerful being on the planet. If he comes in 3rd in a badass contest to Wonder Woman who is no where near the strength/power level of Superman then he becomes a joke. Not to say he can't have that Clark Kent innocence still to temper those awesome powers but he shouldn't be the guy you'd want to brush off so easily.

If you read current comics Hugh (which I know you don't), you'd see that Superman has lately become a punching bag of sorts (except under the pen of Geoff Johns, which he no longer is). He's not the inspiration he once was....to quote Batman from "Infinite Crisis" a few years back, "The last time (Superman) inspired anyone was when (he) was dead". But that also says much about the current state of DC Comics and all can't blame can't be laid on Supes.

Now back to Wonder Woman's problems.....

[The Toyroom]

I don't think WW should be portrayed in ANY OTHER WAY
except as a badass warrior.

To me, WW is "I am woman hear me roar" or nothing.

When you get down to the essence of the character as originally created by William Moulton Martson, I think the ambassador/teacher/pacifist is more prevalent to the character than the warrior. Better hit those back issues Hugh.

[kryptosmaster]

I've never been a big WW fan. Well, unless you count the Lynda Carter series.
I loved that but I never bought a WW comic as a kid or
even when I was really into comics starting in
the early 80's(except for Crisis tie-ins). She was always a "girl comic" in
the vein of the old Romance comics to me.
I started getting into WW with the Perez version and stayed with it till around
issue #65 when it got boring. Came back for a little bit for Byrne and
then dropped it again. Tried to follow the newer one but it was
ridiculous with the long waits...gave up and dropped it.
Rich

[huedell]

Nope...when push comes to shove I think Batman should be feared most (he IS Batman after all) and Supes 2nd. Supes is without a doubt the most powerful being on the planet. If he comes in 3rd in a badass contest to Wonder Woman who is no where near the strength/power level of Superman then he becomes a joke. Not to say he can't have that Clark Kent innocence still to temper those awesome powers but he shouldn't be the guy you'd want to brush off so easily.

Hmmmm...now...other things are becoming apparent in this
"trio" discussion.

"The most feared" "The most powerful" and "The most badass"
have to be different things---at least, I think they SHOULD be.

Batman SHOULD be the most feared because he IS the most
powerless of the three---he needs that CREATURE OF THE NIGHT
fear thing going for him.

"Badass" to me connotates who is the "toughest in attitude"
---so again, i think Batman should be number one
with a CLOSE second of our favorite Amazon warrior---WW.

As far as "most powerful" meaning more succinctly
who would win in a fight...that's easy.

Kryptonite or kryptonite, I always thought Supes was
DC's "main star" and his fights should be treated that way
for the most part.

Now, aside from "cheats" Superman should be the strongest---but WW's muscle should be second in the DCU in my opinion---even over Capt. Marvel
---she's WONDER WOMAN for cripe's sakes, one of the most important
women in fiction history----let her be the strongest in the DCU aside from
her man-of-steel counterpart!

If you read current comics Hugh (which I know you don't), you'd see that Superman has lately become a punching bag of sorts (except under the pen of Geoff Johns, which he no longer is). He's not the inspiration he once was....to quote Batman from "Infinite Crisis" a few years back, "The last time (Superman) inspired anyone was when (he) was dead". But that also says much about the current state of DC Comics and all can't blame can't be laid on Supes.....

Appreciation for the info---as always!

Now back to Wonder Woman's problems.....

***sigh***

[huedell]

When you get down to the essence of the character as originally created by William Moulton Martson, I think the ambassador/teacher/pacifist is more prevalent to the character than the warrior. Better hit those back issues Hugh.

I hear ya---and I tip my hat to you and hardcore
classic comic fans with respect in that matter BUT over the (many) years
the "Amazon Warror" thing has become intertwined with the character
and my PERSONAL opinion is that it compliments the character and
compliments her character being so importnat to the DCU----let some
other DC chick be a pacifist is what I'm thinking---how WW appeared
in the JLU Hawk/Dove episode makes more sense to me---she wasn't
TOTALLY all "warriored out" but she leaned more towards kicking ***
than not if I remember correctly.

[Hector]

This one...

[kingdom warrior]

This one...

http://www.johnshoward.com/uploaded_images/WonderWomanThumb5-756037.jpg

..........and suddenly there was a Hush as we all just stopped and drooled................

[Hector]

[Nostalgiabuff]

you mean there are words in the WW comics?

[samurainoir]

Wonder Woman was originally created to be a role model for young girls based on a Feminine (pre-Feminist) Utopian Ideal in the 1940's.

In 2009, the primary target audience for the Wonder Woman comic books has shifted to middle aged men (for about the last three decades), of which we in this thread are probably a typical sampling.

Is it possible for Wonder Woman retain that male readership while building up a female audience, or at this point is it better to try and come up with a separate title that perhaps plays up Relationships/Romance (which has been a major component during the days when it was aimed at girls, and is a major component of Archie comics, which aims at a large percentage of young female readers).

Wonder Woman has pretty much been without a major love interest for the better part of these three decades where her readership has shifted to primarily male. Why is it that this demographic prefers a chaste virginal Wonder Woman? In the end, isn't Steve Trevor as important to the WW mythos as Lois Lane is to Superman? His appearance in the TV show and the recent animated DVD felt very iconic to me.

[The Toyroom]

In the end, isn't Steve Trevor as important to the WW mythos as Lois Lane is to Superman?

No...because Steve Trevor is an idiot.

[samurainoir]

No...because Steve Trevor is an idiot.

Well so was Lois for most of the fifties, particularly when she ran with her own title (aimed at young girls no less), doesn't mean she can't be reinvented as Erica Durance!

Not that she doesn't have her share of idiot moments, but minor compared to Teri Hatcher's track record inhabiting the character.

I thought Nathan Fillion did a great job of bringing him to life in the animated film.

So do you prefer Wonder Woman as Chaste Virgin, or is there a character out there that is worthy to date her?

What I find most fascinating, given Marsden's documented proclivities in his private life, there is a strong case for the subtextual bisexuality of his Wonder Woman, which may in fact be part and parcel of the Female driven Utopia he ascribed in Paradise Island and the Amazonian Race.

The fact that she might swing more in one direction might be an even stronger subtext of Perez's run given his lack of any strong male romantic lead, and the type of female antagonists she faced. (Although keep in mind I've also seen the female wrestling videos that Perez directed and designed costumes for, so it might actually be closer to wishful thinking on my part).

[ctc]

>Is it possible for Wonder Woman retain that male readership while building up a female audience, or at this point is it better to try and come up with a separate title that perhaps plays up Relationships/Romance

MOST superhero comics have had a really soap-opera-ish romance subplot tacked on, so I don't think this is a big problem. It may seem more prevalent since Wonder Woman is often considered a girl comic; but it's no worse than the old Legion of Superheroes, or X-Men, or Teen Titans....

But perception is everything I guess.

As for keeping a male readership while building up a female one; I'd say, yeah it can be done. (The Japanese have been doing it since the 60's.) But you'd have to deal with the lack of female readers to begin with. Like I said; comics, especially superheroes have typically been a MALE media. Now, there are A LOT of companies publishing Japanese Shojo (girl's) comics, so there MUST be a sizable number of female readers out there.... but I think it'd be tough to get them to try a superhero book. (Kinda like how tough it'd be to get a superhero fan to read a Shojo comic.... perception is everything.)

Don C.

[BlackKnight]

Camel Toe. There, I said it and can now move on.

Yes,... I respect that one the Most too,.. or at least the Toe.



I think the WW Cartoon was handled very well,.. by the Timmie Verse...

I am nore have ever been into a WW Comic.
I tried the 1st couple of issues of this relaunch, .. & Quickly Bailed.

I don't think it's Her outfit,.. at all & agree with Anthony.
There is no way, I could personally see her in anything Else..

It's just who they put on her books,.. thats what keeps failing.

I do buy Supergirl,.. & have been for the last 10 issues or so,.. I like that book alot.

I have also Noticed that Mrs Marvel for Marvel seems to be doing real good... I have always wanted to get involved in that book,... but have yet too.

Picked up the 1st issue of PowerGirl over the Weekend..
I like it so far,.. Her 1st Super Villain she encounters is the Ultra Humanite,.. trying to steal Her Body.

There are plenty of Good Super-Chick alone Books.
Wonder Woman should really be that way too,.. but with Delay's ,.. Half-Arse Writing,.. & lame plots that lead to crappy stories,.. She won't.

I just hope DC Reconizes this,.. & never try's to change Her suit.