Batman's fate in Final Crisis #6--MAJOR SPOILERS

[The Toyroom]

Where you guys Reading Issue 6 At ? All I got is up to issue 4,.. I didn't even Know Issue 5 was out yet,.. let alone issue 6.

#6 came out just yesterday and #5 was out just a few weeks ago...they're finally back after a little break, but now there's even more artists helping out JG Jones (too bad no one's helping Morrison on the script...)

[The Toyroom]

Ollie Blew up In a Building with No Body... Makes more sense,.. just like how RIP Ended..., rather than maybe showing someone Blewn to a Fried CharBroil with some Omega Beem Eyes...

True but I'm sure T-bolt will tell you that Ollie was resurrected in a storyline that involved Hal Jordan/The Spectre and other supernatural elements.

Oh...and it was a plane that blew up, not a building.

[BlackKnight]

#6 came out just yesterday and #5 was out just a few weeks ago...they're finally back after a little break, but now there's even more artists helping out JG Jones (too bad no one's helping Morrison on the script...)

Well Double Damn ! ... , Lame I thought I was caught up.

[Cosmicman]

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Seems like they will need a Patrick Duffy Dallas Moment to NOT explain this.

Time for a reboot?

[Steeler80]

But will anyone still be reading by the time they're through being "crazy"?

I've read and liked some Morrison stuff in the past but his Batman has left me cold. I don't feel that I'm that unintelligent but I didn't know what was going on half the time in the series. Could it be that we've been fed this line about Morrison being a genius and wondering why we're not getting it, when it just comes down to the fact that Morrison can't plot a coherent story? Give me Dini's run on Detective over this any day.

I really think he has some good "big" ideas but he can't seem to plot them into a story you can follow. I don't know, to kill Batman on a few pages in an event book, not even giving him a proper sendoff in his own book (we're ignoring the whole argument of why kill him in the first place), just puts me off. In fact, it's put me off the Batman books. I've decided to use the money to fill in holes in my #200-400 Batman run and my to-be-decided Detective run.

[Airdave817]

Okay.
From what I've read, I'm probably never - never, ever, ever, ever going to read Batman or Detective Comics ever again. I'm probably going to stick with the older iterations of Batman, too.

I have liked what's been going on in Green Lantern. But, I've just been sticking with Green Lantern. No Corps, no Sinestro Corps War - or whatever. I might wait for the trade of Blackest Night. I like the idea of multiple corps. I could see a single lantern of each color in the spectrum, like Sinestro, Atrocitus, Agent Orange, Star Sapphire, etc. I don't know why, but this storyline is clicking. I'm wondering if Blackest Night will suck.

I'm really probably going to start focusing on back issues. Like the '90's Starman. Infinity, Inc. All-Star Squadron. Titans.

Not really interested in where DC (or Marvel) is going from here...

[Steeler80]

I'm wondering if Blackest Night will suck.

More than likely. I could be wrong but here's my reasoning. My whole "thing" lately is that editorial should put good creative teams on their books and then get the heck out of the way other than to coordinate between books ("You can't use Doctor 13 because X has big plans for him in Chippy the Squirrel.") and correct spelling errors. Help with plotting if the writer wants it but you are an editor, not the writer! Let your writer's write!!

The Sinestro Corps war was the idea (if I've read right) of Geoff Johns with help from Dave Gibbons. Their two books developed the story and it took off. Didio saw DC finally had a hit on their hands and now editorial is all over it by making Blackest Night a DCU event. So again, we'll get a top-down driven storyline because we know how good those have been lately.

[The Toyroom]

The Sinestro Corps war was the idea (if I've read right) of Geoff Johns with help from Dave Gibbons. Their two books developed the story and it took off. Didio saw DC finally had a hit on their hands and now editorial is all over it by making Blackest Night a DCU event. So again, we'll get a top-down driven storyline because we know how good those have been lately.

The thing is, if that is the case, it will most certainly be better than say "Final Crisis" or "Batman R.I.P." because Johns CAN actually plot a story whereas Morrison cannot. He gives you tons more bang for your buck (or $2.99 as it were). Like you said, Morrison does have some good ideas but his execution is waaaaay off the mark.

[Steeler80]

I've told a comic book reading friend of mine several times, that the best scenario DC could have come up with (barring not doing yet another Earths shattering crossover) would be to let Morrison plot with help from Johns and then let Johns write the thing.

This is purely selfish on my part because I can at least read a Johns script and know what I've just read.

Oh, as an aside, the thought is now that Darkseid hit Batman with an Omega Sanction rather than an Omega Beam so Batman might not be dead (despite the charred corpse) but in a type of purgatory/hell where he's living a succession of crappy lives.

Yeah.

I read an old Batman story (two parter) last night where Batman helped Catwoman (who was dying from a rare disease) and defeated Catman who had stolen the herbs Catwoman desperately needed. Pretty good stuff.

[thunderbolt]

You dead Batman guys might want to go reread (or read) 7 Soldiers Mr. Miracle, especially issue 4 and the 7 Soldiers finale.

[ctc]

>things that happen of a cosmic nature elsewhere (i.e. "Final Crisis") should not stick with the character as part of his comic book DNA when he returns (eventually) to his own title.

>having him actually die and be resurrected (which you know he will be) violates the character as presented in his own series,

That's the kind of thing I was discussing in another thread: if it happened, how is it out of character? Or more to my question, why is it so grating for the readers?

>I doubt there'll be a reboot....

Oh, there will be. Sooner or later. Sales are dipping.

>Darkseid has often resurrected those "killed" by his Omega beams,

Don't the Omega beams not kill people, but remove them from reality? (Or something like that. I"m explaining it very poorly.)

Don C.

[thunderbolt]

^^^ yeah, I don't get the guy dressed up as a Bat dying and being resurrected in a SF universe like DC being out of character or whatever.

[BlackKnight]

The thing is, if that is the case, it will most certainly be better than say "Final Crisis" or "Batman R.I.P." because Johns CAN actually plot a story whereas Morrison cannot.

... I don't remember Morrison always being so Bad,.. I am sure I have read alot of stuff from him that I liked in the Past...., I Know I liked recent stories like The Rise Of Ras Al Ghoul Arc,.. I am sure he wrote the Batman section atleast... I also did enjoy Batman, up to RIP...

Maybe He's Frank Miller's Room Mate now.

[The Toyroom]

Morrison's best when he's playing in his own corner of the DCU or Vertigo...like "Animal Man" and "Doom Patrol"...or in small contained doses like "Arkham Asylum". But when he takes on the entire DCU that's when things hit a snag. And although I did enjoy his relaunch of "JLA", I didn't think his DC One Million concept (which spun out of JLA) really clicked like it was supposed to. Lately I think he's been more miss than hit...

[johnnystorm]

Agreed...DC One Million was a bizzarre story that meandered all over the place, and I don't recall if anything major came out of it except for the Robot Hourman who tanked and went away.
It seems like Morrison has these grand ideas that only work in his head...and the rest of the DC creative teams just don't (or won't) go along enough to make it coherant. His JLA started out great, but I thought the big battle thing at the end was disappointing. Same with Seven Soldiers.
Meh- I say everybody go back to their own corners for awhile so we can sort out the chaff from the wheat.