DC Retro Action = Big Jim

[AAAAA]

i think everyone is over thinking this, let the product speak for itself.

[Raydeen1]

God forbid people have opinions.

How you read that into things that have been written is beyond me. Did I miss something?

Must be nice to be clairvoyant.

All this angst, self pity and self victimization over a toy. Take a step back and really think about the situation. It wasn't about people not liking the figure or criticising it. It's about the ridiculous levels of nerd rage and constant harping by the same few people.

People just didn't say they hate it and move on. No problem on that. To each their own. The problem was the same few posted over and over and over that they hated in every related thread. That's not disagreeing or disliking, that's just rude and obsessive. It's also getting bizzare when you have one of us here posting nonsense that Mattel is evil over this. Posts like that are embarassing to the community, the hobby and reflect poorly on all of us.

All of this over a toy, good grief. Love it or hate it, buy it or don't, life goes on.

[BlackKnight]

God forbid people have opinions.
Did I miss something?

Yes ..., You did ...
THAT was Wofies Opinion.

[Raydeen1]

I suppose it was.
Kind of a far fetched one though.

Yes ..., You did ...
THAT was Wofies Opinion.

[saildog]

God forbid people have opinions.

How you read that into things that have been written is beyond me. Did I miss something?

Must be nice to be clairvoyant.

I think you did miss something and I'm not going to point out what it was. As stated, it was spread across a couple of threads, but the theme was the same.

Perhaps you think Wolfie's post was about those, like you, who are on record as not liking these. It wasn't. He addressed the offender. It's fine to either like or dislike it and most are not small enough to let someone who thinks counter to what they do become an object of public ridicule.

Someone, other than you, however, has gone out of their way to make sure that anyone who likes them gets labeled a follower (and in a very vocal, as well as visual manner)....all the while whining about how unjustly they have been treated for having an opinion that is counter to what they imagine "the powers that be" are standing behind. Hell, that person even went so far as to state that Doc Mego could not possibly be happy with these.

Obviously, you have an opinion on these and that is cool. At this point, it is hard to tell which opinion is counter to the group because there is a definite split of opinion and I can't tell which side is the majority. An opinion is one thing and you haven't crossed the line, but I think perhaps you think that "not liking" these is what has made people mad.

Not liking them is one thing...making it a point to crap all over anyone who likes them is another thing. And it is still another thing to paint yourself as "the lone martyr for the cause" while you crap all over someone else.

[Raydeen1]

Ahh.

I guess I did miss something. I was wholy unaware of anything going over the line. My appologies.

Bear in mind, I'm in a bit of a fragile state on a good day at Xmas time as it is my favorite time of year and I'ce been having a pretty crappy Xmas so far this year so try not to take ANYTHING I say personally. It's not really meant to be as such. I'm just griping about some things on the figure that I think are fair complaints. That's all I really want to get accross.

It's all good. I'm sure I'll be thirlled with future figures. Just a bit down on pretty much everything right now.

I think you did miss something and I'm not going to point out what it was. As stated, it was spread across a couple of threads, but the theme was the same.

Perhaps you think Wolfie's post was about those, like you, who are on record as not liking these. It wasn't. He addressed the offender. It's fine to either like or dislike it and most are not small enough to let someone who thinks counter to what they do become an object of public ridicule.

Someone, other than you, however, has gone out of their way to make sure that anyone who likes them gets labeled a follower (and in a very vocal, as well as visual manner)....all the while whining about how unjustly they have been treated for having an opinion that is counter to what they imagine "the powers that be" are standing behind. Hell, that person even went so far as to state that Doc Mego could not possibly be happy with these.

Obviously, you have an opinion on these and that is cool. At this point, it is hard to tell which opinion is counter to the group because there is a definite split of opinion and I can't tell which side is the majority. An opinion is one thing and you haven't crossed the line, but I think perhaps you think that "not liking" these is what has made people mad.

Not liking them is one thing...making it a point to crap all over anyone who likes them is another thing. And it is still another thing to paint yourself as "the lone martyr for the cause" while you crap all over someone else.

[hedrap]

Phantom FTW.

The reaction wouldn't be as harsh if they weren't sold as "Mego Lives". Toy Biz didn't do that with FC and that went quite well for them.

I've seen this kind of thing play out on other sites. Some long-timers get a shot at the real deal and instead of things being kept in proportion, it gets overstated. Just think how different the reaction would be if all we knew was DM was involved with a new line from Matty that Abrams had a hand in creating. Lower expectations, greater enthusiasm. Rocket expectations, prepare for headaches.

Like I said earlier. Good for DM. I hope EMCE becomes the next NECA/MEZCO type of specialty company. That would be well worth it. Any guy who finally delivers on a Gorn thirty years later has my support.

If we're being honest here, I'm actually quite shocked that the powers that be are surprised by the negative reactions.

From day one, these were being touted as "new Megos" and let's face it, they really aren't.
It also didn't help matters that the pictures on the MM home page were posted as such, before anyone had seen the finished product.

Like it or not, the packaging, the non-removable heads, the accessories, the bodies, the online exclusive that got pushed back a week, were a disappointment to some.

I guess it is a moot point to complain about figures that are already done.
They are what they are, right?

In the past though, many on this board have commented on "wanna-be Megos".
Most of it bad.

It's easy to forget that FC's, DC9's, CTVT's, etc. were all designed by SOMEONE.

Somebody put pencil to paper or mouse to pad, and knocked these out.
Some liked them, some didn't.
They also were what they were.

To imply that because some MM members were involved in this project, or that Mattel might read something bad about these, and that makes them beyond reproach, is ridiculous.

No one should be made to feel that they can't have an opinion on this forum, good or bad. After all, these are being billed as "new Megos", and this is the MEGO museum.

Hey, if people like how they look, that's terrific. I think that's great.

BUT..if they don't like how they look, you can't get mad about it. When everybody was mooning over these(the idea, at least), it was all fine and dandy. Now that everyone has seen them, the complaints are unfair?

I'm sorry, you can't have it both ways.

Mattel isn't cutting me any checks. I don't have to buy these or even like them. I'll be the one to decide whether or not they're worth my coin.

Again, to be honest, I really don't get the thought process behind this line. How can Mattel revisit a place it's never been?

[Meule]

Phantom FTW.

The reaction wouldn't be as harsh if they weren't sold as "Mego Lives". Toy Biz didn't do that with FC and that went quite well for them.

I've seen this kind of thing play out on other sites. Some long-timers get a shot at the real deal and instead of things being kept in proportion, it gets overstated. Just think how different the reaction would be if all we knew was DM was involved with a new line from Matty that Abrams had a hand in creating. Lower expectations, greater enthusiasm. Rocket expectations, prepare for headaches.

Yeah, that was the big problem here. When the news of this was first released they were sold as new Megos, which - as we have seen now - they clearly aren't. They are something new, something different, but done in the same style. Once you accept that, there won't be as many complaints anymore.

[drmego]

When I came out with Star Trek, some people complained that all I was doing
was copying the originals. Now with Mattel we are updating the body - but
unlike FC or Hasbro - keeping it in the MEGO scale, and still some people
complain about it.

As I have said before, the guys at Mattel know MEGO and they have taken
great care to stay true to the spirit of the originals while still being creative.

The reality is that some people will always complain - and we listen and
respect their opinions - and continue to do the best we can.

[starsky]

there's no pleasing everybody, that's for sure.

[trekman101]

I never assumed the new Mattel line was going to be the "new mego" line...I always thought it would be a new version of the original mego's....and that's what it is...I understand others disappointments but I'm sure die hard customize-rs will figure out how to customize this new Mattel line...this new line is a good thing...never mind the Matty BS,just deal with it....and the choice of TRU carrying future waves is the right one...Mattel doesn't need Walmart telling them what to do.

[LadyZod]

I like Big Jim.

I like DC Comics.

I like Megos.

I like Dr. Mego.

I see nothing but goodness here. Like the body, like the subject matter, like the scale. All wins in my book. Anything else is gravy.

[Meule]

When I came out with Star Trek, some people complained that all I was doing
was copying the originals. Now with Mattel we are updating the body - but
unlike FC or Hasbro - keeping it in the MEGO scale, and still some people
complain about it.

As I have said before, the guys at Mattel know MEGO and they have taken
great care to stay true to the spirit of the originals while still being creative.

The reality is that some people will always complain - and we listen and
respect their opinions - and continue to do the best we can.

But why did they feel the need to update the body in that particular way? Swivel arms, bigger chest maybe, more muscles, ... would've been enough of an update, why change the neck plug? No offence Paul, but that has nothing to do with creativity. They showed creativity with the altered head sculpts, the gauntlets, the bow and arrow with GA. That was creativity, altering the body isn't, sorry.

Oh, and this isn't me complaining, I'm past that. Just trying to understand why that neck plug. If it was safety issues I could understand, but I don't see how that could be the case.

[ODBJBG]

I still don't understand why there aren't bicep swivels. All this articulation is seriously dated. I was surprised they didn't update the articulation much at all.

[huedell]

It's one thing for Doc to post on this topic and remind us of the
eons old cliche: "You can't please everyone."

It'd be another for Doc to post on this subject and admit that
what EMCE did with the replicas was closer to "bringing Megos back"
than merely a new kind of 8 inch figure that merely addresses the same
genre Mego did back in the 70s...the DCU.

It's understandable that Doc would lean towards not implying
anything along these lines---thing that are negative towards
the decisions made---
as this new venture with Mattel is very exciting and he has a lot invested in it.

I find solace in that this could be a great line regardless of this
whole "re-imagining of a Mego" style thing.

As I've said before...this line could very be a cool one...it just
remains that I feel bad that it didn't get the "EMCE" treatment
as TREK and APES did.