Day of the Doctor - talk (spoilers)

[clemso]

The cameo with Ian McKellan was worth it alone and it was a good way to work the other Doctors into the 50th celebration. They would have looked daft appearing in Day of The Doctor.

That was BETTER than Day of the Doctors !!!!

I sure hope it's released on DVD !!!!

[Mego Magyar]

I did like the idea of the Doctor choosing to retire at some future date in the form of Tom Baker... That was indeed a nice touch.

But I'm still left with some questions that I hope will be answered at some point (or maybe they were and somehow I missed it...)

What happened when the Doctor and Clara were in his time-stream and they met the War Doctor? How did they get from that point to the point where this special started?

My take on this is that after the Doctor sent Clara the leaf to bring her back out of the time-stream that when she finally saw him she was separating from the time-stream but could still see thing in it - after she fully left the time-stream they might have had some more adventures and then he brought her to England where she got a job as a teacher. The Smith Doctor's stories have, at times, jumped around with gaps in between his showing up to get his companion for an adventure - it happened with Amy and Rory.

I thought the 50th was great but have a question.

The way I understood the Time Lord/Dalek war was 'time locked' which meant they were in a continuous never ending war. The universe would be safe while the Timelords were trapped in a war for eternity. Did they tweak that or was Galifrey always destroyed?

Either way I'm glad Galifrey has a chance to come back. It sucked that the Daleks were alive and kicking while the Doctors people were still lost.

I was thinking the same thing - as I understood what was explained before is that everything was in a time loop but now the Doctor had burnt and totally destroyed Galifrey - a bit of revision to say the least. Of course the time loop had been broken by the Dalek Caan ( Stolen Earth ) so that could have had a ripple effect. I also glad that the Doctor no longer has that weight on his conscience.

I think that since the current Doctor knows the truth and in his mind the War Doctor is a true Doctor that the numbering has to change going forward with Eccleston the 10th, Tennant the 11th, Smith the 12th and Capaldi being the 13th ( and final Doctor, at least from this regeneration cycle ).

Anyone else like the nod to the original Doctor's first episode with the sign in the opening shot - I.M. Foreman 76 Totter's Lane

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

Hee heee.... good stuff. There were SO MANY weird little bits they snuck in. Like the problem with when the UNIT stories took place, the opening, the ad for this episode. (I thought it was nifty how they used the "bullet time" shots in the ad, which looked neat and ended up forshadowing the Gallifreyan Art bit.) They seemed to imply that Time Lords still have 12 regenerations, and I don't know about you.... but that quick shot of the 13th Doctor sure LOOKED evil.

It put me in mind of the change between the second and third Doctors; how they framed it off as a big change, and based the Doctor more firmly on Earth afterwards. This seems to set up a long term goal for the Doctor's wandering: finding Gallifrey. Plus, it seemed to make the Zygons super-heavies in the universe now; as opposed to the guest monster they once were.

The ending was the biggest and most awesome copout in the history of tv! I doubt we'll see something like that again.

>Did they tweak that or was Galifrey always destroyed?

I thought from the beginning it had been destroyed, but the war itself had been sort of sealed off from the rest of time. So it played out, beginning to end, in it's own little space. So all that was left here and now/then/later was the ruins of the planet, and since Gallifrey represented a kind of absolute time that's all you'd be able to access through normal time travel. All the other stuff happened, but in a part of history/future that had been cut off from the rest. Only through extreme circumstances could you bypass or acces that point. With two forces capable of time travel you'd HAVE to isolate the battlefield, or else they'd keep going back and changing things over and over and over....

Don C.

[Gorn Captain]

I had a lot of fun, Tennant and Smith together were great, and they should have their own PI series!
The Zygons looked cool, but I felt that the storyline about them was the weakest part of this movie. I would have liked to have seen more about the Time War, luckily the main part was focused on just that.
When they talked about the Curator, I was going "please please let it be Tom Baker!", and yes, we got him. What a beautiful emotional moment. Maybe, in the end, a Time Lord gets to pick his favorite incarnation as his last "life". Great ideay, loved it.

And the way it all looked! A lot of feature films can only dream of looking this polished. Terrific work!

So I guess for the Christmas Special, we move on from where we left off, with Clara going after the Great Intelligence to stop his plans?

[johnnystorm]

So here's a few things questions I havefrom the show:

When the Doctor contacted all his past incarnations, he was also able to bring in his next version, Capaldi. So was this a one off event he was able to do because of the time war fallout, or has he always been able to contact a prior regeneration? Same with the next Doctor... Was he "invited" to help, or just show up because he knew what had happened? I'm going with the latter, since I think it's established that the Doctor has no idea who or what he will become. Although it would be cool to see a crossover episode where a future Doctor visits the current version and we see the event from the current's viewpoint instead of the other way around. Maybe not the next version, but one from 6 or 7 regeneration a down the line.

Why was Osgood wearing the 4th's scarf?

[clemso]

Maybe he was able to contact past and future Doctors through his Sonic Screwdriver software, they seemed to be hinting at some profound connection through those.

So here's a few things questions I havefrom the show:

When the Doctor contacted all his past incarnations, he was also able to bring in his next version, Capaldi. So was this a one off event he was able to do because of the time war fallout, or has he always been able to contact a prior regeneration? Same with the next Doctor... Was he "invited" to help, or just show up because he knew what had happened? I'm going with the latter, since I think it's established that the Doctor has no idea who or what he will become. Although it would be cool to see a crossover episode where a future Doctor visits the current version and we see the event from the current's viewpoint instead of the other way around. Maybe not the next version, but one from 6 or 7 regeneration a down the line.

Why was Osgood wearing the 4th's scarf?

[Gorn Captain]

. Why was Osgood wearing the 4th's scarf?

Let's assume that Tom Baker/the Curator is in fact the Doctor's final life. As he's the Curator (and possibly the same as Doc 4), maybe he just gave it to her.
It was also a nice clue about who we would find in the museum.

[Mikey]

I like the idea of the girl having the scarf as proof the curator IS the Doctor.

Nice theory

For the American BBC-America crowd, I do wish they tacked on the McGann Time-War short episode rather than that extremely ebarrassingly cheesey pre show ......... Watching it I felt embarrassed to be a fan since 1975-ish.

PBS would have treated it a little better

[jwyblejr]

I'm guessing Season 8 will be about The Doctor trying to figure out how to bring The Time Lords back?

[johnnystorm]

I think Gallifrey is inside that crystal paperweight the Hurt Doctor was playing with.

[Earth 2 Chris]

My guess on Capladi is that he remembered the day all the Doctors converged on Galifrey, so he showed up. Not sure how the earlier Doctors got there...but who cares. It was really cool.

Chris

[jds1911a1]

I agree with Mike and others the pre show was TERRIBLE on bbc america (the one BBC ran in the UK was better becuase it actually had classic who stars in it but not by alot).
I like Grant and he is a confirmed geek (have you seen his Sulu on Star trek the voyage continues) buthe shows he does need a bit of a script and that other tool Blech- I know he is a buddy of hardwick who produced it (he's been on nerdist alot) but they could have esily found more famous and interesting who fans even in the US - Barrowman would have been a slam dunk but I think he was in the UK for the celebration, as would John Levene (Sgt Benton in the classic series lives in LA), even hardwick would have been more interesting to watch
And yes they should have broadcast all the webisodes as a build up but this is a common thing for BBC, there are countless webisodes that are prequels to the specials and season premiers that they don't even put on the dvd releases

Mike is Right NJN would have done a WAY better tribute show (if you ever have a chance to see 30 years in the tardis you'll see what I mean)

Is it like a rule that all the talking heads have to talk about the modern era for greatest moments, villians, monsters etc?

I think sickly unit girl has the scarf as both a tribute to the 4th Dr (since she works for unit she has seen photos of him if only from Robot, Terror of the Zygons, and seeds of death) and would know he wore the scarf , and since we know the school scarf was the germination of tom's scarf and she's sickly - she needs a scarf in case she gets a chill LOL

[johnmiic]

I like the idea of the girl having the scarf as proof the curator IS the Doctor.

Nice theory

That was some good foreshadowing. The had to have the scarf for a reason. Now we know why-and likely who gave it to her.

The Zygons subplot wasn't as annoying as I thought it would be. I hate evil twins/double episodes but it didn't really turn out that way. They look too monster-ish tho. They were pretty good the way they used to look without caricaturing their faces to look overly evil.

Some threads from other stories seem to show their roots. "No More" is something Dalek Caan said over and over when he betrayed Davros. Those words were not his own it seems. Now we know why QE 1 was out to get the Doctor. He never came back to be her husband. Lots's good thought went into this special. It was very well planned.

[raider5gt]

A bit late to the party.....Loved it,really was a fantasic 50th anniversary Who.

Liked the old Dr Who opening theme tune at the beginning,seeing all the Dr's together,John Hurt was fantastic as The War Dr and glad they did the Time War story.Loads of nice touches to it and Tom Baker cameo at the end as the Curator was brilliant.

They showed the aftershow party after the 50th Anniversary episode,that was quite good too,loads of past companions and Dr's 5,6,7 where there,also K-9 was there too.

[palitoy]

Never noticed this until now, look at the wall behind Tom.