Lost Season 6

[megoscott]

I don't think Eko was an Island spirit. I think he moved on.

[The Toyroom]

Despite my emotional satisfaction from the finale, sadly, the Sideways just doesn't hold up to this kind of scrutiny...which increasingly makes it seem like they spent all of this season devoting half of each episode to something that wasn't that important. It was fun to speculate on at the time, but now that it's done I'm not sure it was worth it considering what they COULD have been doing with their time. It really was purely to give the viewers a chance to say goodbye to the core group--the writers wanted that to be Season 1 Losties and their loves Penny and Juliet.

Most definitely a long con on the part of the producers...another example of no real game plan...I'm sure there were other ways to give us the emotional satisfaction without pulling the rug out from under us. And yes they could have been spending their energies elsewhere on solving more of the mysteries that they laid out for us.

It's almost like laying a trail of breadcrumbs trying to find your way through the dark forest and then BAM! you're shifting gears and you're at a Drive Shaft concert.

Why Locke doesn't get Helen, I don't know.

More than likely you can chalk it up to the fact that she died before him (which they showed when Matthew was driving Locke around when he left the island) ....the Helen that was shown in purgatory was a figment of Locke's imagination (just like David was a figment of Jack's). Helen already moved on and didn't think John was her soulmate as much as John thought that of her....

I dunno, I'm just throwing stuff out there trying to make sense of this

[bizzaro megomauler]

RUMOR HAS IT THAT...LOST season 6 DVD release features an epilouge.....
I had always held on to my theory that Helen was part of the long con by Locke's father.
The only people that were reunited had ties to the Island.

[megoscott]

Oh hell, I'm beginning to lose my faith. I enjoyed the Finale so much and felt so defensive about the thing at first. Griping about haters and so on.

But the thought came to me today as I was reading this thread that if you removed every single bit of the Sideways storyline from season 6 it would make no difference whatsoever to the outcome other than missing some wonderful acting performances by a few of the actors, Josh Holloway in particular. And that's...a heartbreaking waste of time. I loved watching the characters wake up, but honestly, you could have done the whole thing with a montage as Jack was dying and had the same emotional impact.

Which leaves about NINE HOURS of television time they could have used to flesh out their story. You gave me a Jacob/Mib episode, a Richard episode, now give me Widmore/Hawking--fill in the gaps between the 1950s and 1990s. Explain what Ben was up to on the mainland killing all those people with Sayid. Explain a little teensy weensy bit more about Desmond and the conciousness shifting. Take care of the pregnancy question with a quick monologue. Fix the Walt problem.

They fell in love with this Sideways idea, it let them have fun writing their characters, and they say that' most important to them, but...man, his feels like the Phantom Menace somehow.

[samurainoir]

With Lindelof going off to write the next Star Trek, which Lost actors do you think we'll be seeing over in that Universe?

[The Toyroom]

^ Welcome to the Dark Side, Scott?

It's weird....I wasn't overly impressed when I first watched it and was hit with the purgatory concept at the very end....I was like "Huh?! What a cheat!".

And I also didn't get what I expected I would with the showdown between Jack and Locke. I felt that Terry O'Quinn played it more as John Locke that night than as "MIB disguised as John Locke". Yes there was some malevolence there when he threatened Rose, Bernard and Desmond and also when he first encountered Jack. But once Jack stood his ground it seemed as though MIB shifted into more of John Locke and backed down somewhat...never unleashing his full Smokey potential.

I think that was my biggest disappointment of the finale....that the big and mighty Man In Black....the Smoke Monster....the major unseen threat since the very 1st episode when he ripped the pilot right out of the cockpit (and to pieces)...went down with a whimper and a bang from Kate's gun and then a nice kick down the hill from Jack. Boooooring!

Since last Sunday though, I've been rewatching the episode and have found a new appreciation for it. I still feel cheated somewhat but I'm really getting into the nuances of the Sideways world. Even the Jack/Locke scenes are starting to grow on me a bit. But I still feel that the ending was a cheat, a bit lackluster and that the major conflict of the finale was a snoozer.

[megoscott]

It's like, as a standalone thing it's really great, it was a great finale, very well made. The weakness really lies in the entire conceit of the Season 6, a choice they made long ago. The bomb didn't work: They didn't have to keep us guessing about that for the whole season just to have this...emotional catharsis. They could have woken up in 2007 and ridden the whole thing out on the Island.

Once you get to heaven you realize none of it mattered, all the worldly concerns...hatches, food drops, polar bears...wash away. They want us to let go...I felt that way for about 48 hours...I guess I'm stuck on the Island with Michael.

[The Toyroom]

I liked when it was all about pushing the button The glory days!

[megoscott]

Back to the Finale, I see what you were saying about the Jack/Flocke fight, but...after him being Smokie the unstoppable all season it was cool to see him mortal and vulnerable, the Jack flying fist attack was awesome, and Kate using that last bullet was freaking great. It is odd that Smokie didn't anticipate losing his powers when the light went off.

Speaking of which---I'm not sure they ever did a good job selling the risk of losing. It was never clear what would happen if Smokie won...right up to the end I was believing it would somehow vaporize the Sideways world, but that clearly wasn't the case. Or Smokie would be unleashed and destroy the world, but that wasn't it. So the Island sinks---then what? The rest of the planet goes with it? The light goes out and humanity perishes because we don't have the Source to power our souls?

[mazinz]

about that 15 min epilogue only in the complete series boxset:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/27/michael-emerson-teases-lost-epilogue/

[The Toyroom]

^ If it's just on the boxed set then that leaves me out....I already have the individual season DVDs....Why would I want to spend x-amount for the boxed set?

If that is indeed the case, then it's another cheat IMO.....

[The Toyroom]

Speaking of which---I'm not sure they ever did a good job selling the risk of losing. It was never clear what would happen if Smokie won...right up to the end I was believing it would somehow vaporize the Sideways world, but that clearly wasn't the case. Or Smokie would be unleashed and destroy the world, but that wasn't it. So the Island sinks---then what? The rest of the planet goes with it? The light goes out and humanity perishes because we don't have the Source to power our souls?

I agree...it was never clear exactly what MIBs intent was. Sure he wanted to "leave" the island but did that mean killing all the candidates first and then jumping in a boat or plane and heading to LA or did he always know that he was going to try and take out the source? It seems the whole notion of going down into the well of light came late in the game for Smokey once he found out that Widmore had brought Desmond to the island.

And Jacob always said if MIB was allowed to leave the island then evil would be unleashed.....he never said anything about popping the cork and the Soul Power would be gone. Maybe that's what he meant with his wine bottle analogy but that's not the way I interpreted it at the time. Sounded like the MIB was evil, he was somehow bound to the island and it was the island that was preventing him from leaving and unleashing his fury on the real world.

Once again, when you look at it on a whole instead of individual episodes it sounds like a bunch of BS and the producers had no real endgame....even when they said they did.

[megoscott]

about that 15 min epilogue only in the complete series boxset:

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/27/mi...lost-epilogue/

I saw that clarified on another site that it will be both the complete and S06 sets.

[z3zep]

It's like, as a standalone thing it's really great, it was a great finale, very well made. The weakness really lies in the entire conceit of the Season 6, a choice they made long ago. The bomb didn't work: They didn't have to keep us guessing about that for the whole season just to have this...emotional catharsis. They could have woken up in 2007 and ridden the whole thing out on the Island.

Once you get to heaven you realize none of it mattered, all the worldly concerns...hatches, food drops, polar bears...wash away. They want us to let go...I felt that way for about 48 hours...I guess I'm stuck on the Island with Michael.

I totally agree, the finale was a nicely made well done finale.

It was the entire season 6 that feels like a rip off. The whole temple thing waste of episodes, and what was the point of Sayid dying and his resurrection? Do we know for sure the Smoke Monster brought him back to life? I didn't like the sideways flashes since they were not the lives of the characters that we knew....

I would have preferred an epic battle for the island between Widmore and Ben those were the 2 characters that I followed since season 2-3. And Jack and the real John Locke. I am in the John Locke got cheated camp...

MIB was a waste to me, I never cared about him vs Jacob. I never once thought he would leave the island, so it was just a matter of how they stopped him not if.....

I feel stuck on the island too! can't stop coming back to this thread to discuss

[kryptosmaster]

Seems like the more people discuss the show and the finale, the more disillusioned they get.
They have come to realize we all kind of got played in a way. That doesn't diminish the joy that we got from watching the show; it just makes us feel like we got cheated in the end.
So many plot devices coming into play and then left on the wayside when it all came together at the end.
Too many unanswered questions.
Makes you feel like maybe it was all deliberate in order for them to still be able to milk the franchise (and fans) for more dough down the road when they do a tv special or a book that delves into all the unsolved mysteries.
Rich