Lost Season 6

[megoscott]

Just like you have questions about Eloise, I have questions about Widmore....

- We know WHY he was exiled (he fathered a child with an off-islander) but how did he get to the island in the first place? Recruited by Richard, on behalf of Jacob? If so, I assume then he was a Jacob acolyte at one point and lost his way in his vendetta against Ben. Supposedly Jacob approached him at the end and he realized the errors of his ways.

And yet we didn't SEE that meeting with Jacob, which makes his story totally suspect.

- Was he unable to find the island again? Is this why he was bidding on the diary of the first mate from the Black Rock? For co-ordinates? Which also begs the question how did the diary get off-island in the first place?

What's weird about that journal auction---the auctioneer says the Black Rock disappeared in 1851 or so (the journal was found a few years alter in Madagascar) and yet Ab Ataerno said it took place in 1867. There's no explanation for this discrepancy.

- Did he intentionally drive Desmond Hume to the island? I wonder if Libby gave her boat to Desmond at the request of Widmore?

Had to be. Like I said, if Eloise knew Desmond was important because it was written in Daniel's journal, then presumably she'd tell CW that....

- What exactly where the rules set up between Ben and Charles and how was Ben able to kill him eventually when originally it was thought they could not harm each other?

Maybe because Jacob was dead by then?

- His funding of Daniel's research...Was he aware of Daniel's final fate because Eloise told him? (I think this might have actually been confirmed in episode)

Yeah--he said to her outside the hospital that he'd sacrificed his son.

- Why again did he place a fake Oceanic plane at the bottom of the ocean, including bodies? To prevent people from looking for the Oceanic 815 survivors? What made him think someone would be able to find the island when he himself apparently couldn't originally?

Ooof. Dunno.

I'm sure there's more....

[The Toyroom]

Ooof. Dunno.

Yeah you can almost hear the sound of the ball being dropped here....Insert sound effect.....

[megoscott]

Mmmm. Reading his Lostpedia entry in general he was searching for the Island (But how could he not know about the Lamp Post station?) or searching for a way back and the fake wreckage was a way to divert attention, which we know.

It's just one of those things they established to give us a sense of a large ominous conspiracy without detailing the actual conspiracy.

They have a whole page of theories, knock yourself out! Charles Widmore/Theories - Lostpedia - The Lost Encyclopedia

[megoscott]

Did you see that it was ABC that inserted the images of the wreckage on the beach at the very end? They wanted to soften the transition to late local news, but didn't think that some people might obsess like mad over the meaning of it. So stupid. It made a lot of people think that it meant everyone died in the first crash and the whole thing was a dream.

[YoungOnce]

I have been trying to read a lot of the blogs and articles (and the ones that were linked on this thread, thanks everybody) about the season finale.

One thing is clear; NOBODY OUT THERE got what they wanted in the season finale.

Those seeking answers to the questions are least satisfied and apologists answer with something like "the show was about the characters and the finale had emotional resonance."

That said, while I'm sure the numbers will prove that it was a ratings success, the writers have to know that they fell way short of expectations.

[megoscott]

I dislike the word apologists--but I do recognize "it's all about the characters" has become something of a mantra to whitewash failings in the mythological story.

I liked what I got from the finale, though it may not have been what I wanted.

[YoungOnce]

I don't mean to sound like I didn't enjoy my six seasons with LOST... it was some of the most entertaining tv ever

And I understand the quandry that any show's writers face in keeping everybody happy... you can't do it. Tastes are different... vanilla... chocolate... rocky road...

I think the thing that rubs most people the wrong way about the ending of the show (not neccessarily just the finale), is that the writers have maintained all along that they knew what was going on and what the end game will be. (from what I've read, what they really knew about the ending is only that the show would close with Jack's eye closing, just as it opened in the pilot's first scene. Everything in the middle was up for grabs, as of day one that is... the plan came later) So, when these strange things began to happen on the island and everyone started asking if there was a rhyme and reason for it all, the viewers were assured that "yes... there is a plan".
But it is evident after the show's ending that the writers did not have a well-developed plan for every strange idea that they introduced into the show. If they did... what reason would they have for withholding that information to the millions of fans of the show?

So... the obvious answer is that they were confident enough in their writing skills that they believed they could write themselves out of any far-out idea that they could throw out there, but in the end, they had boxed themselves into an impossible corner. Now here's the rub... they weren't worried about the end as long as they could keep folks entertained and coming back for more, which we all happily did (I promise, I like the show). But no-one likes to feel fooled.

I guess this show was a lot like the island's treatment of John Locke. The more you loved and invested in the details, the more you were betrayed in the end.

[The Toyroom]

I guess this show was a lot like the island's treatment of John Locke. The more you loved and invested in the details, the more you were betrayed in the end.

Very true....John Locke gave his all to the mysteries of the island...and where did it get him exactly? Choked to death by Benjamin Linus....
So much for being "special"...

[megoscott]

Ahhhh, but he eventually forgave Ben for that, didn't he? So will you...

[The Toyroom]

I hold no ill will against Benjamin Linus....That being said, I still only trust him as far as I can throw him It's all good now

[JDeRouen]

It was never adequately explained (to me, at least) why Ben killed him in the first place. I know he said he was jealous, but I remember the scene and at the time he was trying to convince Locke to go back to the island. He said something and Ben got a look in his eyes and then attacked him.

[Paul Evans]

It was never adequately explained (to me, at least) why Ben killed him in the first place. I know he said he was jealous, but I remember the scene and at the time he was trying to convince Locke to go back to the island. He said something and Ben got a look in his eyes and then attacked him.

Ben had just rescued Locke from hanging himself.

Ben knew the key to getting back to the island was with Daniels mother, Eloise Hawking.

As soon as Locke mentioned that he needed to find her, Ben turned on him and killed him.

Ben was afraid that Locke would round everyone up, go to Hawking and return to the island WITHOUT him.

With Locke dead, Ben was back in control...and obviously, in the middle of the island return trip.

[The Toyroom]

^ Yeah Ben would have been shut out if he had let Locke live. He wasn't needed....only Oceanic 815ers were necessary. With Locke out of the picture Ben was able to pull the strings to get himself back to the island. Although I thought that anyone that turned the wheel supposedly was never able to go back....but both Ben and Locke (or at least his body) accomplished that feat.

[The Toyroom]

If Ben didn't kill Locke I wonder how MIB would have worked his loophole plan....Also makes me wonder if he knew that Ben would kill Locke, thus giving him a dead identity he could steal and manipulate someone (in this case Ben) into killing Jacob.

Who was the first one that came up with the idea that John Locke had to die? It was Christian (MIB) right?

[The Toyroom]

Richard Alpert wasn't in the Sideways world....So what do you think he ended up doing when he got off the island?