J.J. Talks Trek Sequel-Shatner & Khan?

[Gorn Captain]

I'm just wondering:
This Nexus Ribbon, how did it "work" again?
Wasn't it that it kind of absorbs you, and put you in a place of your dreams, where everything is as you want it?
Which leaves me thinking: did Kirk really die?

Maybe I should watch the movie again.....

[fallensaviour]

Your leaning towards my quickfix idea of Kirk dying near TNG's Enterprise
....interesting...in theory they might've been able to that
by beaming him back to the ship, or shuttling him back to the ship
(that is if Crusher didn't have the means to save him as they
remain there stranded for that period in time)

Since I'm not that affected by the way Kirk died, I can't really speak
for myself, but I wonder, IF he would have died in the presence
of the TNG ship and it's crew...just how would've overall fan reaction
have been?

Your close but still not quite getting it.(the way I feel I mean)

Kirk in essence was the enterprise.The enterprise was Kirk he lived for the command of the ship.It was his family/love intrest it would only be fitting that he die with her or near her.
Besides he always new he would die alone(st 6) not with some bald dude hovering over him.

New ending kirk staggers down the hill stumbles falls crawls to the crashed saucer section places his bloddy hand on the saucer under the words enterprise,camera pans back......(cue knocking on heavens door)...fade to black....Bam tears streaming down millions of faces and a great death!!!

Ask any klingon kirk was a warrior he deserved better than death by ladder.

[fallensaviour]

Damn I just got goosebumps reading that...

[CaptainTrenchcoat]

Damn I just got goosebumps reading that...

I know exactly how you feel. I would have paid extra just to see that scene.

[huedell]

Your close but still not quite getting it.(the way I feel I mean)

Kirk in essence was the enterprise.The enterprise was Kirk he lived for the command of the ship.It was his family/love intrest it would only be fitting that he die with her or near her.
Besides he always new he would die alone(st 6) not with some bald dude hovering over him.

New ending kirk staggers down the hill stumbles falls crawls to the crashed saucer section places his bloddy hand on the saucer under the words enterprise,camera pans back......(cue knocking on heavens door)...fade to black....Bam tears streaming down millions of faces and a great death!!!

Ask any klingon kirk was a warrior he deserved better than death by ladder.

Line for line I KNEW that was your point---
I basically pictured the same kind of Kirk death you described
as preferred.

and I know, I know you're not a "mind reader"
so how would you have known that my REAL reason
for describing it the way that I described it, is that
it was a COMPROMISE

---Kirk "with" an Enterprise at his death---but I also included
the NG cast as possibly a needed thing
---(the ship alone might not have been enough)

this was not a TOS movie it was a TNG movie---so you definitely
cemented my point about the oldschoolers being uncomfortable
with Kirk's death with a major sore point being MERELY having Picard
("some bald dude" negative misnomer applied!) present at Kirk's death.

Problem is, there was no logical way of having Kirk's death in this movie
NOT being connected to Picard/TNG...maybe with the new Enterprise
ship...but most likely with Picard or other additional TNG members present

and THAT is the underlying thorn in a lot of the ol schoolers sides----

tho' the "stepladder" explanation is a nice way to make the gripe
look "pretty"----in that it's not dragging TNG into it, I mean

Well, now I've broached that particular theory

[Earth 2 Chris]

Kirk in essence was the enterprise.The enterprise was Kirk he lived for the command of the ship.It was his family/love intrest it would only be fitting that he die with her or near her.
Besides he always new he would die alone(st 6) not with some bald dude hovering over him.

New ending kirk staggers down the hill stumbles falls crawls to the crashed saucer section places his bloddy hand on the saucer under the words enterprise,camera pans back......(cue knocking on heavens door)...fade to black....Bam tears streaming down millions of faces and a great death!!!

Ask any klingon kirk was a warrior he deserved better than death by ladder.

Wow. That was great. Great way for Kirk to go.

Chris

[huedell]

Wow. That was great. Great way for Kirk to go.

Chris

The last post I made might not have made it clear as I was attempting
to elaborate on the "compromise" idea I had---but other than that
I thought the Kirk ending described was good as well.

At least it had the new Enterprise in it.

Any thing other than that (without a TNG element)
wouldn't have made any sense for a movie that was
supposed to being the two "GENERATIONS" together.

[trekman101]

The Fans weren't the only ones upset about Kirk's death in that Movie....Shatner later said that he "regreted letting them kill Kirk off...and didn't realize how much that Character had come to mean to him". Hence the reason he wrote three Books bringing Kirk back.

THATS RIGHT......

[trekman101]

I'm just wondering:
This Nexus Ribbon, how did it "work" again?
Wasn't it that it kind of absorbs you, and put you in a place of your dreams, where everything is as you want it?
Which leaves me thinking: did Kirk really die?

Maybe I should watch the movie again.....

I think when Kirk said "oh my" as he dies was him realizing his consciousness or soul as you may prefer was being pulled back into the nexus....that can be worked into the next movie...

[fallensaviour]

Line for line I KNEW that was your point---
I basically pictured the same kind of Kirk death you described
as preferred.

and I know, I know you're not a "mind reader"
so how would you have known that my REAL reason
for describing it the way that I described it, is that
it was a COMPROMISE

---Kirk "with" an Enterprise at his death---but I also included
the NG cast as possibly a needed thing
---(the ship alone might not have been enough)

this was not a TOS movie it was a TNG movie---so you definitely
cemented my point about the oldschoolers being uncomfortable
with Kirk's death with a major sore point being MERELY having Picard
("some bald dude" negative misnomer applied!) present at Kirk's death.

Problem is, there was no logical way of having Kirk's death in this movie
NOT being connected to Picard/TNG...maybe with the new Enterprise
ship...but most likely with Picard or other additional TNG members present

and THAT is the underlying thorn in a lot of the ol schoolers sides----

tho' the "stepladder" explanation is a nice way to make the gripe
look "pretty"----in that it's not dragging TNG into it, I mean

Well, now I've broached that particular theory

You missed it again entiretly.
And for the record I am also a bald dude...
I am also not ol schooler I'm 36...LOL
The problem I have had with TNG is it failed on all counts except the ending of the series.
The show should have been about the journey the exploration it was not it was a touchy feely 90's PC crap fest.
That is why I like TOS better and for that matter I also liked wait for it....Enterprise.
I have no problem with jean luc as a captain he was just extremely boring and long winded.He would have made abetter admiral instead.

Now I would never pay to watch a new trek movie with TNG cast I would however pay to see a trek Titan movie.

Truth be told if shat makes it to the next one I'll still go see it.I just don't feel it is necessary to move on with the franchise.
But hey who know maybe they can go back in time or forward I guess now and stop the whole nexus deal before it even happens thus saving old kirk.
reuniting old spock and old kirk together again.

[Gorn Captain]

Ask any klingon kirk was a warrior he deserved better than death by ladder.

With all this talk about that ladder, I just cannot this image out of my mind: Kirk falling down the ladder, Homer Simpson style.

D'oh!
D'oh....d'oh..d'oh!!!!
D'oh!

[huedell]

You missed it again entiretly.
And for the record I am also a bald dude...
I am also not ol schooler I'm 36...LOL.

Now I've missed it "entirely"?

This is getting worse!

For the record, whether you have hair or not,
referring to Picard as "some bald dude" sounds pretty "diminishing"
or "dismissive" to me---
and that's the same difference in me calling you on that description of Picard
----and you really must see what I mean by that EVEN if your words
weren't particularly meant to be like that on the surface.
Having the same cranial appearance doesn't excuse that

ALSO for the record...you're 36? Okay...

Well, I'm 37...and I think that pretty much
anyone AROUND our age COULD feasibly be considered "old schoolers"
for Trek, even if we weren't adults when it first aired.

I pretty must just PRESUMED you were a longtime Trek-type fan
that went way back before TNG appeared on the horizon.

See, personally, I didn't "really" become interested in Trek-lore
until about a few seasons into TNG---so I thought you were more
a "KIRK/TOS" guy than you could ever be Picard or TNG.

And i consider THAT an "old schooler" personally. While me, I'd consider
MYSELF a "later on" guy.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

The problem I have had with TNG is it failed on all counts except the ending of the series.

With all respect...it appears I was dead-on correct presuming that about you.
You don't really like TNG all that much do you?

The show should have been about the journey the exploration it was not it was a touchy feely 90's PC crap fest.
That is why I like TOS better and for that matter I also liked wait for it....Enterprise.
I have no problem with jean luc as a captain he was just extremely boring and long winded.He would have made abetter admiral instead.

Now I would never pay to watch a new trek movie with TNG cast...

Yep. I was pretty dead-on about your stance (more or less!
at least for you to say I was "entirely" off is a stretch I'd say)

in my last post, the points I was trying to make
...apologies if my writing was so poor, that you didn't see it that way.

No big deal.

Bottom line is we just have different views about TNG.

And my only point was that you despising TNG as a series
has a LOT to do with how YOU view Kirk's death
(as opposed to how I view it)

Truth be told if shat makes it to the next one I'll still go see it.I just don't feel it is necessary to move on with the franchise.
But hey who know maybe they can go back in time or forward I guess now and stop the whole nexus deal before it even happens thus saving old kirk.
reuniting old spock and old kirk together again.

That all sounds good to me.

[fallensaviour]

You make me smile Hue...

I see your point yes you were right on some aspects some not so much but not a big issue you do have the jist of it.

Tos fan yes,TNG not really the movies were not bad but they stepped it up a notch.
I do understand entirely that kirks death was a passing of the torch ,but it was poorly executed to say the least.Talk to me in ten years when picard passes the torch and he dies from his plastic heart failing while drinking earl grey and tell me you don't feel robbed...LOL


No I did not like TNG I doubt I ever will but that is not to say I didn't like some of the characters as mentioned before I would watch a titan film or TV show.
Why? Cause riker kicks Butt,Picard is to diplomatic for my taste.

Picard did start to kick butt in the movies but it was too late for me by then.

Which brings me back to ST 12 I think they could go to a titan movie then back to new tos crew for 13.

[huedell]

You make me smile Hue...

I see your point yes you were right on some aspects some not so much but not a big issue you do have the jist of it.

Right back at ya...and I think we've overcome some obstacles here
to indeed see that we can understand much of our "typed out sentiments"

Tos fan yes,TNG not really the movies were not bad but they stepped it up a notch.
I do understand entirely that kirks death was a passing of the torch ,but it was poorly executed to say the least.Talk to me in ten years when picard passes the torch and he dies from his plastic heart failing while drinking earl grey and tell me you don't feel robbed...LOL.

Yeah---I guess--I don't want to sound like I'm looking at your stance
here as "overly fan boy" or anything...but I think my connection
with Picard is fluid enough that I could handle it like simillar to Kirk's death
"diluted" as it was by another cast involved and what came with it.

IN FACT....I'm only "slightly irked" that there will most likely
never BE a "Picard death scene" because his lack of popularity
doesn't warrant it.

TNG really fumbled the ball didn't they?

That either speaks volumes on TNG's lacking
or TOS' incredible endurance in pop culture
or a combo of both.

Hey, I can admite defeat...but it is a little sad
TNG has been basically...ahem..."phased out"
of Trek focus in 2009.

No I did not like TNG I doubt I ever will but that is not to say I didn't like
some of the characters as mentioned before I would watch a titan film or TV show.
Why? Cause riker kicks Butt,Picard is to diplomatic for my taste.

Picard did start to kick butt in the movies but it was too late for me by then.

Which brings me back to ST 12 I think they could go to a titan movie then
back to new tos crew for 13.

I just GOTTA do my research on this "Titan" thing you keep referring to

[Hector]

Jesus, Hue...who do you think you are with those long winded posts...Darklord???