J.J. Talks Trek Sequel-Shatner & Khan?

[Captain]

Hmmm....

I always wanted to do a Bond movie were one of the older actors to play Bond, plays the villian. Over the course of the film we find out the Bond identity is being perpetuated by MI-6. When somebody gets too old, dies on a mission,or becomes a risk, they deprogram them and then program the Bond identity onto a new guy...keeping the idea that Bond is invulnerable and unstoppable alive for another day. One of the "retired" Bonds recovers his memory and goes after MI-6 and the new Bond.
This could work for the next Trek. Get the old cast to steal a ship (Klingon BoP of course) and go after JJ and his gang. This has Oscar written all over it!!!

----Well, maybe Oscar Meyer written all over it?

[thunderbolt]

Can the series just go where no Trek movie has gone before and not retread Khan or another time travel story for Kirk?

[fallensaviour]

It funny seeing everyone worship new-boy fake Kirk - and at the same time throw Shatner out with the bath water.

Oh, he's too old to be Kirk -- he's too fat to be Kirk --- he's too short to be Kirk.

Amusing reading

I get that Kirk(shat) is the end all and be all for you T1K I do.I think shat is the man but watching him sweat,red faced and bloated through generations was absolutely pathetic!!!
I wanted him to die with dignity and they couldn't even do that right.
As mentioned before if he could drop the lbs or they direct tv him fine but the way he is no really feeling it.

Nimoy was essential for the movie pivotal you could even see.
Who more befitting than the one character who has been there from the very start?
From the cage to trek 11 it could be only Nimoy.

For the record I do not worship new Kirk and dismiss old shat!!!
I just can't bear to watch him roll into some skin tight tunic and flounder around.I understand he is old some people age well others get fat.
Don't get mad at me I'm in the fat department,but I can sure guarantee you I will not try to put on my old football uniform and hang out with the boys.

He had a chance to be in this one and he blew them off.He can do price line negotiator commercials or bran flakes but no trek?
Too bad so sad or you snooze you loose.
Lets move on before star trek 13 stars george,walter or nichelle.

personally I refuse to read any more T1K star trek comments until he has watched the film!!!

[huedell]

Can the series just go where no Trek movie has gone before and not retread Khan or another time travel story for Kirk?

i think the "logical" answer to that would be "eventually".

I'd exhaust as many gimmicks as could be justified before
totally going out on it's own merits.

It's a balancing act.

I get that Kirk(shat) is the end all and be all for you T1K I do.I think shat is the man but watching him sweat,red faced and bloated through generations was absolutely pathetic!!!
I wanted him to die with dignity and they couldn't even do that right.
As mentioned before if he could drop the lbs or they direct tv him fine but the way he is no really feeling it....

I'd like Shat to appear in the most flattering light as well.

Maybe it's possible Shat WILL be in Trek12 and
maybe if he DOES appear he WILL look half-decent ???

It's possible.

[palitoy]

If it truly is going to be it's own universe, then let's have it make it do it without the original cast. I love Shatner, I love Nimoy but the scenes of Mr. Polydent whistling through the exposition were not the highlight of the film.

The best parts for me were the scenes of Pine, Quinto, Urban embodying the characters and making me enjoy a decent movie.

[Gorn Captain]

Let's make some things clear here.
I love the original cast.
I'm not bashing them. But when you want to see them, there's plenty of TOS to go around. Watch that and and enjoy.
But I don't feel the need to do Geriatric Trek.
Do we want to see 2009 Adam West back in tights again?
I don't think so. It would only elicit some unwanted chuckles.
I don't think West would enjoy it either.

Once you go in a new direction, commit to it 100%, I'd say.

TOS Kirk is my greatest hero, but even they need to retire some day, unless we want to see Captain Zimmer Frame.....

[Gorn Captain]

Hmmm. I just think connecting BOTH Nimoy AND Shat to the
new movies would be real cool, I dunno maybe that's
just predictable and lame---oh well

Predictable and lame.
Just the words I was looking for....

[Gorn Captain]

maybe this deserves it's own thread, but I never understoof the
outrage over how Kirk died in GENERATIONS, and now that you brought up
Spock's death in TWOK, and called it "different"
----I don't really see how it is that different.

Well, for me the whole fact of "Kirk falling off a ladder"is different than Spock whole "saving-the-ship routine".

Basically, they do exactly the same (saving something), but the style is not alike. It's all just as heroic, I admit, when you look at the bare facts.

But stylewise, Spock's death is more dramatic in a movie context.
I mean, people die from falling off a two step ladder in real life, that's tragic, but in a movie it wouldn't work, right?
Do we want to see Batman die as he accidentally drops his hair dryer in the bath tub? Or from an allergic reaction to his rubber suit?
Do we want to see Iron Man dying drunk and choking on his own vomit?
I think not.
I therefore found Kirk's death realistic, but disappointing for a movie format.

Spock's last words were: "I have been and always will be your friend."
Kirk's last words were: "Oooohhhhhh......"

The first works well in a movie.
The second is probably realistic in real life.

Mine will probably be: "More morphine, now!"

[huedell]

Predictable and lame.
Just the words I was looking for....

You say that like I didn't mean that was actually a distinct
real way of describing the scenario.

Of course relying on something "old" could be viewed at as being
predictable or lame---at least IF you're GOING TO view this
scenario in a negative light...stress on the word "IF".

[huedell]

Well, for me the whole fact of "Kirk falling off a ladder"is different than Spock whole "saving-the-ship routine".

Basically, they do exactly the same (saving something), but the style is not alike. It's all just as heroic, I admit, when you look at the bare facts.

But stylewise, Spock's death is more dramatic in a movie context.
I mean, people die from falling off a two step ladder in real life, that's tragic, but in a movie it wouldn't work, right?
Do we want to see Batman die as he accidentally drops his hair dryer in the bath tub? Or from an allergic reaction to his rubber suit?
Do we want to see Iron Man dying drunk and choking on his own vomit?
I think not.
I therefore found Kirk's death realistic, but disappointing for a movie format.

Spock's last words were: "I have been and always will be your friend."
Kirk's last words were: "Oooohhhhhh......"

The first works well in a movie.
The second is probably realistic in real life.

Well, it's just as I suspected.

now that I've read an official take on all this,
I know that I don't buy this as good enough reasoning.

I think it's absolutely wild that those thousands of
Trek fans that have expressed displeasure with how
Kirk died in GENERATIONS would use metaphors
like "falling off a stepladder".

"A whole ship at risk" in TWOK as opposed to, like a BILLION
people on that nearby planet in GENERATIONS...and TWOK's
Spock death is the winner...more heroic, way more over Kirk's passing???

Maybe in GENERATIONS Kirk should have hobbled into the wreckage
of RIKER/PICARD's Enterrise to die and that would have worked better
"dramatically"? Nah, I don't buy it

[david_b]

To be honest, I would have prefered the movie without Old Spock.

It just wasn't necessary, IMO.
I'm also not looking forward to seeing Shatner again.
That's ancient history.

I know, his demise in Generations was very weak, (so unlike Spock's heroic sacrifice in TWOK), but I'd prefer that book closed.

Let the new cast do their own thing!

I did like having the old Spock in there, more so since it wasn't a 'single-scene' cameo.., more like a important thread to the story which was a very nice touch.

Theoretically, we could have seen a few other original cast playing other roles, but I really don't see having Shatner in the next movie as a viable idea. He really wouldn't add anything important..

david_b

[ctc]

>I think it's absolutely wild that those thousands of Trek fans that have expressed displeasure with how Kirk died in GENERATIONS would use metaphors like "falling off a stepladder".

A friend of mine, who's a huge Trekkie described it a lot like that. He thought it was kinda sad that a guy who'd fought off alien empires, godlike beings and the laws of physics was squished by a girder. I think a lot of folks would have been happy if he'd gone down swinging instead.

Fun Fact: This was also the friend who left the premier of the film, walked along the line waiting for the next show and yelled "Oh man, I can't believe they killed off Picard like that!"

Good times, good times....

Don C.

[Riffster]

I dson't see how they could use Kirk as this story was told because Vulcans live alot longer. I mean sure they had Mcoy on the pilot of Next Generation but It'd be odd to see them use Kirk that way too. plus when Spock was to0 go back in time it was even more in the futrue then his appearence with Picard yes?

[samurainoir]

I don't think Shatner's best days are necessarily behind him, and he does have a career beyond just Star Trek.

His emmy award winning appearances on The Practice and the few episodes of Boston Legal I caught during the first season were awesome.

Why does it have to be Kirk or nothing with Shatner?

I personally would love to see him embody a character that is reflective of the song "Trying", his collaboration with Ben Folds. I think there was some real emotional weight behind his regrets that he could tap into with a character like that.
YouTube - That's Me Trying

I bet he would relish a meaty non-Trek Villian role as well.

[Gorn Captain]

[QUOTE=huedell;327025I think it's absolutely wild that those thousands of
Trek fans that have expressed displeasure with how
Kirk died in GENERATIONS would use metaphors
like "falling off a stepladder".

"A whole ship at risk" in TWOK as opposed to, like a BILLION
people on that nearby planet in GENERATIONS...and TWOK's
Spock death is the winner...more heroic, way more over Kirk's passing???

[/QUOTE]

As I said in my post; realistically, Kirk's death is the "winner" (he saves the universe), while Spock's death (for me) wins it in the "cinema drama" category (as it was written as a movie scene). Kirk's death scene was poorly written, to me.

And from now on, I'll just refrain from entering another debate. When you disagree about everything, sometimes it's best to let it be....