New Trek trailer online

[knight errant00]

We can never have the old cast back, but there is potential here for a good story and a good time. After seeing the new preview, I'm game.

Trekmovie.com has posted a scene-by-scene breakdown of the trailer, with comments, some a bit spoilerish (so be warned):

TrekMovie Goes Inside The Star Trek Trailer - Shot By Shot | TrekMovie.com

I'm game, too. But I do want to address all the "let go of the past" criticisms of some of the people criticizing the changes:

First, I don't mind change. I remember being a little unsure of the flattened nacelles when the TMP Enterprise was first presented, but to be honest, it's the best ever. in my opinion, a nearly perfect re-design that made my favorite ship that much cooler. I liked the 1701-D, never could stand the E, but this new design . . . what they've shown of it (and maybe it'll be better on screen), it's not that it's different, it's that I don't like the design -- a matter of taste that has nothing to do with *that* it's different but *how* it's different.

I'm OK with the overall look of the new uniforms (though I don't like the Enterprise "arrowhead" screened as a repeating pattern over the shirt). And the recasting . . . well, we'll see.

I don't like that it's a time travel story -- Berman and Braga overdid that enough in their tenure -- but maybe it'll work, and help them make some point in the adventure.

I am a little bugged by the fact this is supposed to be a prequel, not a BSG-style reboot -- as the Trekmovie article points out, there's a lot of stuff that seems to contradict the established history from the show (just the age-spread of the characters should prevent Chekov from serving with Kirk on this first command, for example).

Maybe they'll explain it all. But maybe just calling it a "Batman Begins" or Casino Royale"-style reboot would have been better, and freed them from discussion of "canon" to do whatever they thought was best for their new take.

[Werewolf]

You mean like this?

http://www.megomuseum.com/startrek/images/ment3.jpg

So, you are saying the new bridge looks like the cheap vacu-formed playset Mego made that looked nothing like the actual STTMP bridge?

[The Bat]

As a life long Trek fan, I wasn't excited about this flick at all. I've been disappointed, especially after Voyager and Enterprise (and of course the TNG flicks). But I saw the trailer on TV last night in all it's HD glory, and I admit, all of a sudden I got geeked for it. It struck a cord.

We can never have the old cast back, but there is potential here for a good story and a good time. After seeing the new preview, I'm game.

Awesome Dave!! Open-Minded-ness is something Star Trek always preached to Us. The least we can do is give it a chance!

[Hector]

As a life long Trek fan, I wasn't excited about this flick at all. I've been disappointed, especially after Voyager and Enterprise (and of course the TNG flicks). But I saw the trailer on TV last night in all it's HD glory, and I admit, all of a sudden I got geeked for it. It struck a cord.

We can never have the old cast back, but there is potential here for a good story and a good time. After seeing the new preview, I'm game.

I'm so proud of you, Dave...

[ctc]

>J. J. Abrams Reveals His Movie - ArtsBeat Blog - NYTimes.com

....is this for real, or is it a hoax....?

Don C.

[Sideshow Spock]

I am a little bugged by the fact this is supposed to be a prequel, not a BSG-style reboot -- as the Trekmovie article points out, there's a lot of stuff that seems to contradict the established history from the show (just the age-spread of the characters should prevent Chekov from serving with Kirk on this first command, for example).

Maybe they'll explain it all. But maybe just calling it a "Batman Begins" or Casino Royale"-style reboot would have been better, and freed them from discussion of "canon" to do whatever they thought was best for their new take.

WARNING: SPOILER TALK



From what I understand, what we're gonna see is the development of the classic crew as it took place in a parallel reality. This way the movie is not beholden to previously established TOS canon. And technically it's not a prequel or reboot.. more like a variation.

If you check out the TNG ep "Parallels":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallels_(TNG_episode)

..I'd guess it's along those lines. Some of the infinite realities are very close to the universe we know, some are quite different. So what we're gonna see is some of the same, and some different.. which should make it pretty interesting.

[knight errant00]

WARNING: MORE SPOILER TALK






Yeah, I've heard the alternate timeline theory, too, even to the tune that we'll be seeing three different versions of the Enterprise over the course of the film as the timeline changes (much like the TNG ep you noted).

And, although interesting, I guess I'm just not getting the idea of devoting so much time to making it in-continuity just to undo the continuity so they can proceed with their stuff. Sure, if it was a middle season of a TV show they wanted to shake up, a great idea for introducing change in a dramatic way (kinda like what the did in the second season of "Primeval"). But rather than waste a lot of time trying to make things fit and explain away others, at this point, I still think a clean reboot would have been a beter idea. I'll know better come May . . .

[ctc]

>I've heard the alternate timeline theory, too,

Hmmmm.... that sort of thing seems really prevalent these days. Sort of the all purpose copout if the audience doesn't like your stuff.

So.... Kirk punches out reality and then Vulcans have pointy ears again....

>even to the tune that we'll be seeing three different versions of the Enterprise over the course of the film as the timeline changes

One of the things the Japanese started doing with their sci-fi shows is giving the hero multiple forms. Lets you sell more toys. I'm HOPING we don't see that sort of thing happening here....

>I'm just not gettign the deia of devoting so much time to making it in-continuity just to undo the continuity so they can proceed with their stuff.

Trek is sort of problematic in that you have a huge, obsessive fan bse. ANd since they're your cash crop you don't want to alienate them.... BUT you kinda DO, 'cos normal people don't have the same depth of interest they do, and have different tastes and concerns. So if you're looking at expanding your audience you're gonna hafta trick the Trekkies; make the sort of thing normal folks want to see more palatable to them. An in continuity reboot is one way.

Don C.

[palitoy]

even to the tune that we'll be seeing three different versions of the Enterprise over the course of the film as the timeline changes

That'll be confusing to me and I'm a fan.

Trek is sort of problematic in that you have a huge, obsessive fan bse. ANd since they're your cash crop you don't want to alienate them.... BUT you kinda DO, 'cos normal people don't have the same depth of interest they do, and have different tastes and concerns. So if you're looking at expanding your audience you're gonna hafta trick the Trekkies; make the sort of thing normal folks want to see more palatable to them. An in continuity reboot is one way.

It really is a tough call.

I remember doing a trek show after TNG premiered, it was in a high school gym and wasn't very big. The concensus of those people was "We hate the new show"

Two years later, the attendance had doubled, it was being held in a hotel and everyone was dressed like Picard. So in the end, it kept Star Trek alive. So could this movie, I may not love it but maybe it turns a bunch folks on to the franchise.

[Mikey]

If the alternate time-line thing is true, and Captain Pike is in it ..... It sounds like a ripoff of New Voyages, In Harms Way

m

[Earth 2 Chris]

The alternate timeline thing is actually quite smart if they play it right. Classic Trek can go untainted for those who refuse to embrace this new series. The new movies can change what they want, but also redo storylines as they wish. If they want to make a movie out of Amok Time, they can. As I understand it, it's basically like Marvel's approach to the Ultimate titles. Nick Fury can be Samuel L. Jackson over there, but stay a caucasian in the main Marvel U.

Chris

[Flynne]

One man's opinion:

I'm a huge Trek fan going back for decades, working conventions for the better part of a decade with Creation Entertainment. I love Classic Trek. Always have. It's why retroactive construction of the Trek timelines and history used to bug me now end. I can tell you honestly the whole "Kirk driving a car" thing is the tip of the iceberg. Trek has spent the last 35 years totally screwing up their timelines left and right:

Wrath of Khan - best Star Trek film ever? Yes, it is but it still contains one of the worst ret-cons to date - "I never forget a face Mr.... Chekov!" - Chekov doesn't come until the second season, "Space Seed" is a first season episode.

First Contact - I liked the flick, but the whole Zephram Cochrane timeline is turned on its ears, spun counterclockwise, and had Borgs added to boot. Most of what comes from "The Changeling" is ditched and ret-conned.

Nemesis - It still bugs me that I actually paid to see this film, but who could forget "Hey there's another Soong android!" What's it called? Uh... "B4?", and oh, yeah it's buried where only escaped Romulan slaves can find it, repair it, and reprogram it. Starfleet Research has decades of android research based on Data and couldn't construct one of their own, but fugitive Romulan Miners find one and (without instructions) fix it up and turn it into a double agent. Oh, the pain...

The Ferengi episode on "Enterprise" - I loved this series, but the entire Ferengi / Human contact history is chucked out the window. This is only an example - as it was the early years of Starfleet a lot of material was redacted, redrawn, or straight out retconned.

and on, and on, and on. I just learned to let it go. Otherwise, I will get no evolving Star Trek, and I really miss that. Nothing will ever dampen my enthusiam for Classic Trek. Hell, I even dig the animated series. I'm die hard TOS, baby! Bring on the miniskirts and go-go boots!

I saw the new Trek trailer at "Qauntum of Solace", and saw Krik driving a car, the shipyards on Earth, the new style of the "Classic Enterprise", the all white STTMP sets, and all new actors. And then I let it go, and decided to be in the seats when it premieres. Maybe it helps a bit that Zoe Saldana is very hot. I also like the attempt to at least keep the look of the classic uniforms, if the material construction is a bit different. There are things in it I think I'll like, and some things in there I think I won't. But it's all I'll get, so take it or leave it, I suppose.

Maybe it sucks eggs. Maybe it's alright. Maybe it's the most awesome film ever made. Regardless, it still ain't Classic Trek, and it never will be.

But then again, it doesn't have to be.

[Hector]

If the alternate time-line thing is true, and Captain Pike is in it ..... It sounds like a ripoff of New Voyages, In Harms Way

m

Boy...you just can't get pleased for anything, lol.

[Mikey]

I want to like it, but I just can't get past Captain CHiPs Sarge Jr, Mr Teen and a stupid looking Enterprise.

All I want them to do is give me just one thing to like.

throw us old fans just one small bone.

But, they wont

[huedell]

I want to like it, but I just can't get past Captain CHiPs Sarge Jr, Mr Teen and a stupid looking Enterprise.

All I want them to do is give me just one thing to like.

throw us old fans just one small bone.

But, they wont

How about the 206 bones in Nimoy's body?

If you're representative of "old fans" it seems
them including (and paying) Nimoy was a
useless gesture.