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  • megoapesnut
    The name says it all!
    • Dec 3, 2007
    • 3727

    #46
    Originally posted by Werewolf
    Betamax lost because of limted storage. VHS tapes had far more recording time. Beta one hour vs VHS 2 to 8 hours.
    Beta could actually get 2 hours on a tape at the slowest recording speed. Beta was 1, 1.5 and 2 hours where VHS was 2, 4 and 6 hours (except for some special tapes that had 8 hour capabilities). VHS quality went downhill REAL fast with the longer times. 6 and 8 hour is unwatchable as far as I am concerned. Beta didn't take a huge hit in quality at the slower speeds. I actually own a high end Beta deck that still operates flawlessly. I have quite a few movies on Beta that are not available on DVD as of yet. And I have many tapes that I recorded myself - old football games, etc.

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    • mazinz
      Persistent Member
      • Jul 2, 2007
      • 2249

      #47
      Originally posted by megoapesnut
      Beta could actually get 2 hours on a tape at the slowest recording speed. Beta was 1, 1.5 and 2 hours where VHS was 2, 4 and 6 hours (except for some special tapes that had 8 hour capabilities). VHS quality went downhill REAL fast with the longer times. 6 and 8 hour is unwatchable as far as I am concerned. Beta didn't take a huge hit in quality at the slower speeds. I actually own a high end Beta deck that still operates flawlessly. I have quite a few movies on Beta that are not available on DVD as of yet. And I have many tapes that I recorded myself - old football games, etc.
      I do not know where all these wrong betamax running times came from (werewolf mentioned) but to post some correct info:

      on the L-830 tapes Beta was able to get 5 1/2 hours
      on the L-750 tapes beta was able to get 4hrs 30 mins
      on the L-500 you could get the 3 hours
      Last edited by mazinz; Dec 4, '10, 11:09 PM.
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      • megoapesnut
        The name says it all!
        • Dec 3, 2007
        • 3727

        #48
        It's been a while since I taped on a Beta. I do now remember the 3 hours, but I never knew you could get 5.5 on different tapes. Good info, thanks

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        • Werewolf
          Inhuman
          • Jul 14, 2003
          • 14974

          #49
          Originally posted by mazinz
          I do not know where all these wrong betamax running times came from (werewolf mentioned) but to post some correct info:

          on the L-830 tapes Beta was able to get 5 1/2 hours
          on the L-750 tapes beta was able to get 4hrs 30 mins
          on the L-500 you could get the 3 hours
          I think it's great that there are people that are still passionate about the Beta format and, yes, later tapes could hold more. But, I think, we were talking about what killed the format with the general buying public, which was storage size.

          To the average consumer, not the enthusiast market, a basic standard VHS tape could have two hours on the best default setting in contrast to the one hour of Beta. This gave VHS an early boost over Beta and certainly helped VHS get a foothold in the rise of video rental chains.

          I'm not knocking Beta. I think Laser Discs were great in their day as well and are also an underappreciated format.
          You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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          • cjefferys
            Duke of Gloat
            • Apr 23, 2006
            • 10180

            #50
            Yeah, I remember buying the L-750 tapes and they could hold up to 4 1/2 hours.

            Technologically, Beta was superior and more innovative in some ways (for example, Beta introduced stereo audio to home video). When the enhanced versions came out, ED Beta was superior to Super VHS, and it's resolution even matched or beat that of DVDs (10 years before the latter was even introduced). Of course, that format was primarily for professional use, as Beta was practically dead as a consumer product by that point.

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            • mazinz
              Persistent Member
              • Jul 2, 2007
              • 2249

              #51
              Originally posted by Werewolf
              I think it's great that there are people that are still passionate about the Beta format and, yes, later tapes could hold more. But, I think, we were talking about what killed the format with the general buying public, which was storage size.

              To the average consumer, not the enthusiast market, a basic standard VHS tape could have two hours on the best default setting in contrast to the one hour of Beta. This gave VHS an early boost over Beta and certainly helped VHS get a foothold in the rise of video rental chains.

              I'm not knocking Beta. I think Laser Discs were great in their day as well and are also an underappreciated format.

              actually what really killed the beta was Sony's refusal to allow any sort of third party to release films for them without going through the legal high cost route for Sony's "OK" (which was really paying Sony to release films on their betamax format). VHS allowed this so any company could make films on the vhs format, THAT is what clobbered Sony's Betamax. When the rental store came around, VHS had a ton of films already sent in the market while beta had a handful

              I really believe bluray is the laserdisc of today ( I still have an LD player and discs, betamax too for that matter). Despite company "exclusive extras to bluray" crap that they pull, bluray will remain as the "high end anal movie goers" format like laser disc was. Dvd will stand the test of time and by the end of it's demise, whatever will be replacing bluray will already have hit the market
              Last edited by mazinz; Dec 5, '10, 12:40 AM.
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              • mego73
                Printed paperboard Tiger
                • Aug 1, 2003
                • 6690

                #52
                When an off the beaten path property like Space:1999 (at least it is in the US) can come out on Blu-ray it tells me blu-ray's appeal is more broad than movie fans.

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                • BlackKnight
                  The DarkSide Customizer
                  • Apr 16, 2005
                  • 14622

                  #53
                  After reviewing the comments in this Thread...
                  I think I have Tunnel Vision So Damn far, with stuff that I like and Buy.
                  I never knew that Blue Ray players, or Movies have become so cheap.

                  .... Still, I am not going to race out and get anything right yet, until I am a bit more financually Secure, But it is some interesting Knowledge, to say the least.

                  I don't think I'd ever buy but a handful of DVD's that I have on the Blue Ray. I don't need a whole new conversion. ..., I don't feel like spending the Bread it would cost to buy 200+ DVD to Blue Ray again.

                  I saw that Comercial for that New 3-D TV ....
                  It sorta got me thinking, because My Flipp-in Living Room TV Just crapped out.
                  However, I still think 3-D is a Phase .... , and watching 3-D stuff with them Glasses on, Gives me a Big time Headache.
                  Last edited by BlackKnight; Dec 5, '10, 3:15 AM.
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                  • BlackKnight
                    The DarkSide Customizer
                    • Apr 16, 2005
                    • 14622

                    #54
                    Originally posted by mazinz
                    Dvd will stand the test of time and by the end of it's demise, whatever will be replacing bluray will already have hit the market
                    Well Said.
                    This is Sorta How I Roll.
                    ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


                    always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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                    • Mr.Krusher
                      Banned
                      • Oct 25, 2010
                      • 569

                      #55
                      Until about a month ago, I thought that 'Blue Ray' was a fifth-tier DC villian...



                      So, hell, I cant honestly say... Though it would be kind of ridiculous to think of a world without DVDs - they have completely saturated world culture by this point..

                      Maybe the Laser Disc will make a big resurgence?? I saw Godzilla vs. Megalon on a friend's LD player years back, holy horsesh1t, it was BEAUTIFUL - I STILL have yet to experience picture and sound quality like that again!

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                      • The Bat
                        Batman Fanatic
                        • Jul 14, 2002
                        • 13412

                        #56
                        Originally posted by Mr.Krusher
                        So, hell, I cant honestly say... Though it would be kind of ridiculous to think of a world without DVDs - they have completely saturated world culture by this point..
                        Hence the "backwards compatibility". You don't have to replace all your DVD's...they'll play on a Bluray Player. I'm not in a hurry to replace my DVD's either...only a choice few.Mostly, I just buy Bluray when I'm buying a new Movie.
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                        • Mikey
                          Verbose Member
                          • Aug 9, 2001
                          • 47258

                          #57
                          Originally posted by The Bat
                          Hence the "backwards compatibility". You don't have to replace all your DVD's...they'll play on a Bluray Player. .
                          What about home-burned DVD's ?

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                          • megoapesnut
                            The name says it all!
                            • Dec 3, 2007
                            • 3727

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Mikey01
                            What about home-burned DVD's ?
                            I have no problem with DVD-R's on my Blu-ray player.

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                            • Mikey
                              Verbose Member
                              • Aug 9, 2001
                              • 47258

                              #59
                              Originally posted by megoapesnut
                              I have no problem with DVD-R's on my Blu-ray player.
                              That's cool to hear

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                              • megoapesnut
                                The name says it all!
                                • Dec 3, 2007
                                • 3727

                                #60
                                Originally posted by mazinz
                                I still have an LD player and discs, betamax too for that matter
                                Ditto. I have an awesome LD player with a large collection of discs along with my Sony Beta deck and smaller collection of Beta tapes.

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