American wants to defect to Canada.

[fallensaviour]

I REALLY LOVED the Bowling for Columbine part where Moore visits Canada .

Same here but let me tell you if somebody just randomly walked up to my house and opened my door I would punch them square in the face and beat them with my Bat...So don't believe everything you see in a Moore movie.

P.s. I keep my door locked anyway but just in case don't go to the neighbors unannounced.

[Joe90]

Heath Care - I liked "Bowling for Columbine" too, but it's more of an essay - it's not 100% journalistic reporting. Health care in Canada is not FREE - Our taxes cover doctor exams and hospital stays.

Car Insurance - It's illegal to drive in Canada without car insurance. There are differences in the policies and how liable works in Canada.

Just to sum up, there are certain socialized services that Canadians enjoy - just like there are socialized services in the US. Politically we're not that different. I'm getting the idea that you think there is a radical difference on a social-economic level and there really isn't - we're a democratic free-market based economy, just like the US.

As far as Health Care, we pay a premium every month just like anybody in the US would pay an insurance premium for private health coverage. It ain't free, but the good thing is you ain't gonna lose the farm if you have to have an extended stay in the hospital. You might lose your shirt, though.

Some Provinces have an auto insurance program but often times it's no cheaper than a free market company's rates.

Like Brazoo says we are a free market economy except that we pay higher taxes on things like gas, booze, cigarettes, etc to fund some of our social programs. In general, prices and taxes are a little higher here, but that's the price you pay for living in a country that Michael Moore loves so much.

He's a funny guy, Michael Moore. I hazard a guess that nowhere else but the USA would he be so wealthy and courted by the media for what he does. I bet he realizes that, too...

[Brazoo]

Same here but let me tell you if somebody just randomly walked up to my house and opened my door I would punch them square in the face and beat them with my Bat...So don't believe everything you see in a Moore movie.

P.s. I keep my door locked anyway but just in case don't go to the neighbors unannounced.

I do like that movie, but that scene was pretty silly. He's comparing Windsor Ontario to Detroit because they boarder on each other - but Windsor's got like, 300 thousand people and Detroit has got 4 million? That's quite a stretch.

[ctc]

>That's quite a stretch.

There are a lot of similarities. (Especially now that so many people have fled Detroit.) Both have a sinister, 70's cop show vibe. Both have thriving undergrounds. Nowadays both have a lot of boarded up old buildings. Back in the day, Windsor used to be called "South Detroit" 'cos so many bad people used to come here to hide out. (Not so much during the 70's biker wars though.)

Don C.

[MegoAddict]

i'm from Canada...you will love it here...hope to see ya soon!!!

[Brazoo]

>That's quite a stretch.

There are a lot of similarities. (Especially now that so many people have fled Detroit.) Both have a sinister, 70's cop show vibe. Both have thriving undergrounds. Nowadays both have a lot of boarded up old buildings. Back in the day, Windsor used to be called "South Detroit" 'cos so many bad people used to come here to hide out. (Not so much during the 70's biker wars though.)

Don C.

Ha - well "sinister 70s cop show vibe" aside I'd still bet you're more likely to find unlocked doors in a city of 300,000 than a city of 4 mil.

Here's my main point, Moore presented "Bowling For Columbine" here at the Toronto Film Festival before it was theatrically released, and afterwards he held a Q&A. One guy got up and said "I live in Canada, and I lock my doors" and Moore said something like "Yeah, I know. A couple of the people we interviewed said they didn't and we didn't believe them. So we tried a bunch of doors and only a few were unlocked." Then he went on to explain that it didn't matter to him if in the movie he showed that it was really a few doors, because his point was that NO ONE in the US would ever leave their door unlocked.

I know for a fact that's not true. I have friends and family in the States, and I know they don't lock their doors at all times - especially when they're home in the afternoon like the people Moore barged in on.

Personally I have no problem with the movie - but he's using a style of documentary that is in the spirit of a commentary or an essay - it's not reporting or journalism. He's using film to illustrate his point of view - it's totally valid form of documentary - but keep in mind, it is just one point of view.

[Brazoo]

Okay - I couldn't find a direct quote from the Q&A, but here's a decent and critical interview with Moore at the Toronto Film Festival:

Bowling For Columbine - Movie Review by EYE WEEKLY Toronto

[TrueDave]

Thanks for the Moore clarification.Knew he was'nt 100% been following him since " Roger and Me " was in the theatres" I knew he was "selective" in his footage. I liked the News on the Bar Tele. " New Speedbumps" Hey THATS something I need to know. Not Homicide.

I personally would never want to meet him, and i don't think he makes "documentaries" ( Farenhieght 911 was NOT a documentary and should NOT have beat the Uber Excellent "Supersize Me" at the awards that year.)

BUT, Moore gets people talking about things that need discussing.

Forgive me for my misunderstanding of Refugee stautus. I only first heard of it on the immigration site.
What has me concerned is If I have to live three years as a pre requirement for citizenship. . . Work.

I'm not a Brain Surgeon, just a "caretaker/teacher". Kids, Special Needs adults, older folks. No longer an independant business ( SFX), and I doubt you really need a 38 year old ex-theatre Projectionist. . . .


My Job as a full time Special Ed teacher was described to me as " Youre the person that keeps your school princpal from being sued. " :-(

[TrueDave]

I'm talking about the bitter, hate-full divide that I'm afraid is getting worse all the time.

Thats what concerns me too. Where we are is a volitale area. You and I are right in the middle of the Blue and Grey states.

And of course the grass is always greener for you , you got " KY Bluegrass! !"

[TrueDave]

Okay - I couldn't find a direct quote from the Q&A, but here's a decent and critical interview with Moore at the Toronto Film Festival:

Bowling For Columbine - Movie Review by EYE WEEKLY Toronto

Heres some quotes from that article I liked :

Moores view of Canadians:
'We are all Canadians. We are all in the same boat. If one of gets sick, it's the responsibility for the rest of us to take care of that person. If one of us loses their job, it's the responsibility of the rest of us to take care of that person. We are not to beat up on each other, especially when one of us falls on hard times.' That's the Canadian ethic."

Moore's view of The US.
"We'd still have the collective mental problem about fearing 'the other.' Fear is a good thing. The problem is that, in America, we have been battered into believing we need to be afraid of everybody who's different. Our fear compass is off; it doesn't work anymore. We can't differentiate between true fear and false fear. You got the politicians, the corporations, the news media, all appealing to our baser instincts when they go for our fear."

[samurainoir]

My Job as a full time Special Ed teacher was described to me as " Youre the person that keeps your school princpal from being sued. " :-(

Having been a Community Facilitator in that particular field back when I was a student, I will tell you that there is a big demand for males. You should be fine to find similar work up here.

Before graduating, I decided to check out the teacher's college at my Uni, and they really tried to aggressively recruit me for Special Ed because there are so few guys.

[samurainoir]

Regarding the unlocked doors... Moore was in Toronto's Annex. Having lived there for a decade, I can tell you the neighbourhood is very... unique.

[Brazoo]

Regarding the unlocked doors... Moore was in Toronto's Annex. Having lived there for a decade, I can tell you the neighbourhood is very... unique.

Ahhh - Is that where he did that?! I remembered that being in Windsor because I remembered him going from that weird chick in the bar insisting that she 'never locked her door' to the doors test. It's been a while, I guess!

[Brazoo]

Thanks for the Moore clarification.Knew he was'nt 100% been following him since " Roger and Me " was in the theatres" I knew he was "selective" in his footage. I liked the News on the Bar Tele. " New Speedbumps" Hey THATS something I need to know. Not Homicide.

I personally would never want to meet him, and i don't think he makes "documentaries" ( Farenhieght 911 was NOT a documentary and should NOT have beat the Uber Excellent "Supersize Me" at the awards that year.)

Were those the same year? I remember liking the spelling bee one that year.

BUT, Moore gets people talking about things that need discussing.

I totally agree! I also think it's cool that he puts himself in his docs - he's not really making any bones about the information going through him - to me.

Forgive me for my misunderstanding of Refugee stautus. I only first heard of it on the immigration site.
What has me concerned is If I have to live three years as a pre requirement for citizenship. . . Work.

I'm not a Brain Surgeon, just a "caretaker/teacher". Kids, Special Needs adults, older folks. No longer an independant business ( SFX), and I doubt you really need a 38 year old ex-theatre Projectionist. . . .

No worries! I believe accepting refugees is what Canada and the US (and a lot of other countries) do in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

My Job as a full time Special Ed teacher was described to me as " Youre the person that keeps your school princpal from being sued. " :-(

Don't knock yourself man - teachers are pretty important in my books! And I know teaching Special ed must require a lot of patience. I know people from UK and Australia here on work visas right now, and they just wait tables - so I can't imagine that you would have a tougher time.

[ctc]

>We can't differentiate between true fear and false fear. You got the politicians, the corporations, the news media, all appealing to our baser instincts when they go for our fear.

century of the self - Google Videos

All 4 parts are there, but they're kinda all over.

Don C.