Naughty Teachers

[toys2cool]

dam! I don't see the big deal though

[UnderdogDJLSW]

Yeah, IMO anywhere other than in a school around kids, do whatever you want. Doing that with kids watching is a little odd.

[haggis]

Those two are guilty of bad judgement for the bit at the end, no doubt. The suspension and a solid reprimand of some sort would seem like sufficient punitive action to me.

[david_b]

Jeez, our teachers didn't look like THAT 30 years ago.

david_b

[Joe90]

I'm a teacher in Canada. In this country teachers are held to a higher standard, and sometimes behaviour that is "harmless fun" to some is entirely inappropriate for teachers. I was aware of that when I joined the profession, as were these two professional colleagues of mine shown in the video.

The higher standard is there for a reason. We are teaching appropriate behaviour to children, and the Manitoba School Act defines a child as someone who is under 20 years of age on or before the first day of school for the year. If there were no "Children" in attendance then, yes, it could be construed as a harmless joke between adults, but the fact that there were students present puts this in an entirely different light. Whether the children present there were 6, 16, or turned 20 on September 10th, the standard is still the same.

The teachers will receive disciplinary action over this. I'm pretty sure that this event will be mentioned in their permanent record, and that they will have to offer an apology to all concerned. However, if they do not have a Permanent Contract with that School District, then they can kiss their careers goodbye. Nobody will ever hire them. School administrators often have the attitude of "Where there's smoke there's fire" and these two clearly demonstrate that they are willing to cross the line of propriety -- however arbitrary that line may seem to non-teachers. When dealing with peoples' children School Districts will err on the side of caution rather than risk a lawsuit.

In my own professional opinion as a teacher whose assignment is to teach Human Sexuality in the classroom, I think these two screwed up. They played up to the crowd and it's bitten them both in the butts... High School kids get very uncomfortable with the thought of the adults in their lives being sexual beings. The interviews by the local media of the students afterwards, as well as a lot of the actions of the students in the video, all point to the kids being creeped out by what happened. We aren't there to be their friends, or to show them that we are human -- and cool too -- we're there to guide them, to be a stable rock in the tempestuous hormonal seas that they're sailing through. I've learned that to most teenagers a teacher's knowledge of Human Sexuality should be perceived as being encyclopedic rather than experiential in order for kids to feel comfortable discussing such topics. Teenagers want to be able to ask an adult -- a teacher -- about the mysteries of Human Sexuality, not watch them engaging in mock sexual domination and ersatz cunninglus. To them that's as wrong as the thought of their mothers and fathers having sex...

Yes, although they may cheer and hoot at the kind of activities we saw in the video, kids are essentially prudes, and we have to respect that.

[david_b]

I'm a teacher in Canada. In this country teachers are held to a higher standard, and sometimes behaviour that is "harmless fun" to some is entirely inappropriate for teachers. I was aware of that when I joined the profession, as were these two professional colleagues of mine shown in the video.

The higher standard is there for a reason. We are teaching appropriate behaviour to children, and the Manitoba School Act defines a child as someone who is under 20 years of age on or before the first day of school for the year. If there were no "Children" in attendance then, yes, it could be construed as a harmless joke between adults, but the fact that there were students present puts this in an entirely different light. Whether the children present there were 6, 16, or turned 20 on September 10th, the standard is still the same.

Yes, although they may cheer and hoot at the kind of activities we saw in the video, kids are essentially prudes, and we have to respect that.

Joe90, excellent points! Regardless of who was in attendance or not, with the advent of Youtube and media all over the place, anything recorded can be viewed anywhere these days. Thank you for conveying that, despite what you might think, kids DO want to be kids, and have enough pressure with sexuality from what we see passing for entertainment in primetime reality shows and cable.

I know there's such a thing as 'on/off' buttons and parental guidance.., but it goes deeper than that in society.

david_b

[wolfie]

Yes, the US is still very prudish compared to the rest of the world

Not anything to do with this threads subject but if this statement is true how come the US has the worlds biggest porn industry.

[Mikey]

Not anything to do with this threads subject but if this statement is true how come the US has the worlds biggest porn industry.

Legal pornography and simulated sex acts performed by school teachers in front of children are two seperate things.

[jds1911a1]

Not anything to do with this threads subject but if this statement is true how come the US has the worlds biggest porn industry.

Do as I say not as I do.
While individual people may want to watch it and or make it as a society americans like to compartmentalise sex.

We do not have topless public beaches, topless bars are usually pushed away from most comminities with a not in my yard mentality (even if the same township supervisor goes to the establishment in another place)

while prostitution is rampant it's only legal in a few towns a single state,

As a father of the college age girl I am just as guilty of the dichotomy. I like to look at attractive younger woman in the VS catalog and exotic dancers but would be horrified to find a photo of my daughter naked (or worse) on the web

[palitoy]

I was really hoping this was about an Al Adamson "Independant International" picture I'd never seen...

[david_b]

When I was stationed in Germany, I ran my first marathon in Prague back in '91. Afterwards we went to this beach which had both nude and clothed sections.

Trust me, from what I noticed, the nude side was icky.., especially when standing in line for stuff. It's not as 'arousing' you might think. Many people on that side.. um, shouldn't be on.. that side..

david_b

[jds1911a1]

When I was stationed in Germany, I ran my first marathon in Prague back in '91. Afterwards we went to this beach which had both nude and clothed sections.

Trust me, from what I noticed, the nude side was icky.., especially when standing in line for stuff. It's not as 'arousing' you might think. Many people on that side.. um, shouldn't be on.. that side..

david_b

True enough you see far more poeple you don't want to see that those who might stimulate.

[Mikey]

Anybody ever see the SNL nude beach sketch ?

[fallensaviour]

We have a nude beach here and strip clubs.
We also have several adult stores and adult movie stores.
They are also not raunchy or lewd in the overall appearance.
The stores look just like any other building or store except they say "Adults only in big letters".
Again no big deal to me as it is not in a school.

[Mikey]

We have an adults-only peep-show/adult book store here ..... It get's raised at least twice a month for prostitution ... Can't figure out why they don't shut it down for good ... Unless some high up people might be on the take.