re: flopped tv remakes

[mazinz]

>There is a huge difference in the 80's to hearing the Eurythmics on lets say a family radio, to nowadays with that same station playing eminem songs

Well.... you gotta be careful with this kind of example, since it brings a measure of personal taste into the mix. I think you've also got to separate the trappings from the content: eminem may use more naughty words in his songs than groups back in the 80's, but is his stuff CONCEPTUALLY any more vulgar than a lot of 80's tunes? (Prince comes to mind, as does Tone-Loc and the Beastie Boys. And the Eurithmics did the innuendo laden "Missionary Man" which got a LOT of play on the radio and tv. Even the peace-and-love Beatles did a song about killing your girlfriend.)

I find even the vulgarity is cyclic. It's only been the last few years that we've had movies with anything NEAR the levels of sex and violence inherent to a lot of movies from the late 60's/early 70's. (Exact same PLOTS though. *sigh*) Music too. I find that there was a whole pile of songs of dubious taste and morality made back in the 30's and 40's. For example:

7 Songs From Your Grandpa's Day That Would Make Eminem Blush | Cracked.com

And I've actually heard WORSE than these. Seems like public outrage was a creation of the 50's. (Which may explain why it's such a staple of the 50's juvenile delinquent/rock and roll film.)

>and the really young kids singing all of this crap and strongly being influenced by it.

Yeah, but you gotta look at what "strongly influenced" means. I was on the recieving end of a LOT of this sort of debate: back in the "Dungeons and Dragons will make you a satanist" and "Heavy Metal music will make you a suicidal axe murderer" days. So I'm real leary of it. There's a big dif between wearing your pants around your knees and having a removable "Thugg Life" tatoo, and actually going out and mugging little old ladies. People readily pick up affectations, people don't often rewire their lives. I'v heard a lot of protest against rap (AND video games) based on it's effect on the young; but if you look at the actual crime statistics, violent crime (up until a year or so ago) took a huge DOWNTURN during the last couple of decades. Proponents of this sort of thing cite specific examples (often of a dubious nature as well,) but I think you've got to look at how representational they are.

Oh man, you've GOT to see Teenage Crimewave.... or at least the opening blurb! (It should be in here):

YouTube - MST3K - Teenage Crime Wave - (1/10)

>Hogan's Heros , my 3 sons ,6 milion dollar man are on the remake list.

I think it's safe to say that ANY show you remember has been pitched SOMEWHERE. "Duck Factory," "SledgeHammer" or "oops!" anyone?

....anyone....?

Don C.

Hey Don
the thing is though whether people accept it or not is that music can and usually is a lifestyle. For example if you tell punk and hardcore kids it is just music and they will shoot you down some nasty stares. To them the music plays a role and creates a certain type of lifestyle for them. Not saying it is a bad thing at all, but a true one. In the early 90s when hip hop started it's huge and maintaining current rise, a LOT of people in my highschool were hugely affected. Literally over night we now had so called gangs, posses and a general rise in violence. It is not a coincidence with the rise of one type of musical art form with not exactly the best role values taking it's toll on the mainstream. Actually I saw this thing going on everywhere and how it is has changed over the years to less violence but more stupidity today. The mentality of the public changed. You do have rappers who have seen this and have changed their tune lyrically and publically over the years. The music industry is aware of this as well, but can you imagine how it would collapse over night if they did admit to being a huge influence in lifestyle? At least those in the tv commerical industry admit to it. The lawsuits would come flying in with all sorts of accusations.

Granted you did have this with the pmrc vs the world era, but they were also involving religion into it which is not what is happening nowadays (not like then)

Lyrically yes some 80's and previous years have had questionable songs, but the were also done in way to hide it to a degree. Now it is blatantly right in your face and that is the difference. It leaves no distinction to what you may or may not be singing about. No mystery at all.

Do keep in mind that I am not against hip hop, but that I have observed it's effects on general mainstream. And I am a pretty not that strict flexible person, but some of this is way over the top for it to be mainstream. Back in the 80's and beforehand most of it would never had made mainstream and stayed underground

I once put it like this: "the greatest influence on the music world today with the absolute worst set of morals I have ever come across.

film is absolutely no where near the influence that music has over people

ok I will not say anything else I promise


I used to record mst3k so if they did have teenage crime wave there could be a chance I might have it on tape, however thank you for the youtube clip.

though not a tv show remake they are also re-doing red dawn now as well

[ctc]

>Literally over night we now had so called gangs, posses and a general rise in violence.

Hmmmm.... Like I said before; annecdotal evidence can be tricky 'cos you're never sure how representational it is. Your highschool may have been a fluke, or there were other factors that affected the rise in troubles. Also; you'd have to define "rise in violence." We (and anyone else "listening" in) may not be on the same page. There's a difference between a punch-up and a stabbing. (When I was growing up, nobody thought twice about a fistfight.) There's also the question of visibility: did the violence actually rise, or were to perpetratiors more visible 'cos the affected an image that separated them from the masses AND was associated with violence in the minds of the public?

>It is not a coincidence with the rise of one type of musical art form with not exactly the best role values taking it's toll on the mainstream.

But does the music cause it, or is the music a symptom?

>you did have this with the pmrc vs the world era, but they were also involving religion into it

The PMRC was secular; it was the Moral Majority that brought religion into it. They were definitely different (since each came from the opposite end of the political spectrum) but they were working towards similar goals.

>You do have rappers who have seen this and have changed their tune

....which I suspect is mostly 'cos WalMart wouldn't stock their albums. When you're "small press" you HAVE to go edgy 'cos that's what gets you noticed. When you go maintream you HAVE to soften your image so to appeal to a mass audience.

>I will not say anything else I promise

Oh, you WILL..... Nobody on the internets who says they're gonna be quiet now ever is. Which is fine, I kinda think we're getting somewhere. I'm surprised we haven't had a bunch of folks piping in with how much of a waste all this debate is. THAT happens all the time on the internets too....

Stupid internets....

>they are also re-doing red dawn now as well

*sigh*

Don C.

[mazinz]

Hey Don,
The reason I will just leave it as is, because I can see we can both carry this discussion through several more pages,

There is one very good thing about tv show to film remakes (or just remakes in general) which I think many will agree. That is this:

if the original never had a proper dvd release, it may get one due to the hype for the remake.

[ctc]

>if the original never had a proper dvd release, it may get one due to the hype for the remake.

HAW! That's true. I get nervous that some exec is gonna say the reason their remake flopped is 'cos of the accessability of the old stuff.... it muddied the franchaise and whatnot.... and from then on in the old version of anything remade is buried.

Don C.

[Brue]

Brace Yourself.... Hogan's Heros , my 3 sons ,6 milion dollar man are on the remake list.
1983 Twilight zone Blew chunks!

I loved the twilight zone movie

[spotter]

V The new ABC version which comes out November is the next train wreck to join the list!!!!!!!!

Say it aint so Joe!

seriosly

the first V series was awesome ( nice spin on "to serve Man" & warnings about the risk of cult of personality situations) and the special effects were really good for a tv movie

the second was tolerable since I loved the bad acting of Michael Ironside ( heck I watched 1 season of seaquest to see more of it)

the series was un watchable and I don't see how we can go back there now

[Brue]

watching land of the lost right now

[Riffster]

you'll be sorry

[Brue]

i went in with no expectations - i knew it took little from the original SO i had a few laughs and didn't think it bad.

[mego73]

Beware those remakes who think that changing the race of the main character will somehow make it new and relevant (i.e. The Honeymooners and Wild Wild West)

Actually WWW is funny bad (especially after hearing Kevin Smith) and if I ignore that it's supposed to be based on one of the greatest (and my favorite) shows ever, The Honeymooners isn't too bad either (it just stinks compared to the real Honeymooners).

The Bewitched remake was just truly awful.

I would've done a slight spoof in the Brady Bunch movie style and have them switch the actors playing Darrin half way through the movie.

[jwyblejr]

Brace Yourself.... Hogan's Heros , my 3 sons ,6 milion dollar man are on the remake list.
1983 Twilight zone Blew chunks!

Hogan's Heroes will be a bomb before it gets anywhere. If people had a problem with the premise back then,imagine the stink it'll cause today.