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**wolfie** · Dec 14, '08, 10:53 AM

Well as this was my era i can't agree with any of your picks, they were all superb.

If you want to talk overated crap just pick any rappers.

Having a go at Sinatra is asking for a horses head in your bed.

**Mikey** · Dec 14, '08, 11:01 AM

I don't want to do rappers or current music because I think they're too new.

They need at least 30 years to rest (like my picks) and then see what happens after that.

**theantiquetiger** · Dec 14, '08, 11:14 AM

Barbara Streisand and Bet Midler have to be up there. Their irritating nasal voices should grate on everyone's nerves. I can only name one Bet Midler song (Wind Beneath My Wings) and cannot think of one Bab's song off the top of my head.

They are the "Paris Hilton's" of the jewish and gay communities. They are famous for being famous.

**wolfie** · Dec 14, '08, 11:31 AM

Ok now you have me.

Barbra Striesand is one of the greatest female singers of all time. I suggest you go out and listen to some of her stuff.

**huedell** · Dec 14, '08, 11:42 AM

Regarding Mike's initial post...here's an "argument".

Mike says: "Which music performers do you think have been deified by the
masses but don't rightly derserve it ?"

And then he goes on to post certain things about each performer that
say how mundane they are...and if it wasn't for them dying, that
they wouldn't be held in such high regard.

Well, I dunno.

For one thing...they were pretty successful BEFORE they died----
their deaths just gave them an added mystique that pushed
their iconic value further.

Fandom increasing afterwards?

That's not "unwarranted"...it's just logically what happens.

People deify Jagger and McCartney in their own ways...but it's much easier
to deify Lennon and Morrison because they are dead...and that's
"cooler" than flaunting pictures on your T-shirt of guys you actually know
as sixty-year-olds who don't "chart" as much as they used to
or look as cool as they once did.

As far as Mike's claims about certain people from that list not being
that talented----singers---for example---like Morrison and Sinatra
----they are popular BECAUSE they had a "limited singing style"
(and don't fool yourself Mike re: Lennon having any great range---
most of Lennon's material had barely any note range in them whatsoever)

annnnnyway, my point IS---what does it take to be accepted as
"not being overrated"????

You tell me...'cause I'm stumped.

I mean, Barbara Striesand has a killer vocal range...yet Antiquetiger
says she belongs on this list of overrated performers....that kinda
contradicts Mike's Morrison/Sinatra statement.

I dunno about threads like these, they seem to be just an invitation
to complain about successful artists...

Mike's line:
"Bare in mind ... you don't have to dislike the performers on your list
...you just think they're not as good or as derserving of their current
status."
that ^^^ sentiment may be a nice gesture...but I think it's
a weak one...people aren't going to use a thread like this to
criticize artists they LIKE, no matter HOW many chinks they may
have in thier armor---instead they'll make up their own stance why
so and so shouldn't have made all that money off a style of music
that they don't approve of... plain and simple.

I'm not a huge PEARL JAM fan----they bore the heck out of me
and I'd never choose to listen to them---but that doesn't mean
I'm gonna say that's a good reason that they shouldn't be
rated so highly by the masses.

Obviously, there's some massive appeal there....fact.

I respect that.

**theantiquetiger** · Dec 14, '08, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by wolfie

Ok now you have me.

Barbra Striesand is one of the greatest female singers of all time. I suggest you go out and listen to some of her stuff.

I would rather have my toe nails pulled out one at a time!!!

I also put Celine Dion up there. Twenty years ago, she was a B List singer with nothing note worthy for a good song.

The movie "Titanic" makes her a household name, and now people pay 100's of dollars to see her in concert and they build her her own concert hall in Las Vagas. She still has the same one tone, high pitch voice. Nothing changed in her talent.

Originally posted by huedell

Obviously, there's some massive appeal there....fact.

Thats what Mike is saying, who has a mass appeal, but you don't understand why. They are famous for something other than their music.

Originally posted by huedell

(and don't fool yourself Mike re: Lennon having any great range---
most of Lennon's material had barely any note range in them whatsoever)

Lennon wasn't the greatest singer. He was million times better at song writing.

**Mikey** · Dec 14, '08, 12:01 PM

Speaking of Striesand....

I was just listening to my TV's 70's music channel about 10 minutes ago.

They played Striesand's Main Event.

I can honestly say, I have never heard such a HEAD-ACHE song as that --- and that's including rap music.

It was sooooo annoying, I had to change the channel.

**huedell** · Dec 14, '08, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by theantiquetiger

Lennon wasn't the greatest singer. He was million times better at song writing.

Okay---so, in your eyes that excuses his limited vocal range.

It's a slippery slope man.

Just because someone has something other than
raw technical talent doesn't negate the fact that SOMETHING
gave them that appeal...that charisma.

Again...I respect that...I don't try and tear it down.

But then again...that's human nature and the nature of the masses
in general.

**Zemo** · Dec 14, '08, 1:03 PM

Sorry I had to stop reading when I saw Zep on that list. Remarkable!

**kryptosmaster** · Dec 14, '08, 3:14 PM

Bob Dylan
I can't understand why anyone thinks he's any good.
Of course one person's dislike is another's favorite so you won't have a lot of harmony (pun intended) with this subject.
Rich

Oh yeah...and Neil Young, too.

**wolfie** · Dec 14, '08, 3:20 PM

Originally posted by type1kirk

Speaking of Striesand....

I was just listening to my TV's 70's music channel about 10 minutes ago.

They played Striesand's Main Event.

I can honestly say, I have never heard such a HEAD-ACHE song as that --- and that's including rap music.

It was sooooo annoying, I had to change the channel.

Ok i will give you that one.

**Riffster** · Dec 14, '08, 3:41 PM

at the risk of being yelled at Nirvana, never liked em

**Bill** · Dec 14, '08, 4:35 PM

Originally posted by Riffster

at the risk of being yelled at Nirvana, never liked em

I preferred some of the rawer Sub Pop bands at the time. Sound Garden and Nirvana were a bit polished for my liking compared to early Mudhoney, Dwarves, Supersuckers, Tad, etc...
But Nirvana was THE breakthrough band that caught everyone's eye/ear. It's hard for me to believe just how short that time line really was for a band to still be adored to this day. I remember Bleach but it wasn't until after Teen Spirit hit the radio in what, the later half of '91, that they really took off. Less than three years later it was all over.
It is odd to think that a band with basically just two albums (none of those college kids listened to Bleach, and In Utero was just a comp of singles) is still talked about today. I can easily see how some would see them as really over-rated. Personally I think they're one of the most important bands in rock history, but I'm the idiot that just switched CDs in the car this afternoon from Hank Jr.'s Greatest Hits to Bad Brains I Against I. They go together, right?

**Bill** · Dec 14, '08, 4:41 PM

Oh yeah, over rated...

Um

Kiss. Just don't get it. Liked 'em as a kid but that don't make them good.

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