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Oh, I'm definitely going to see Avengers 2...oh yes...
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Variety and Hollywood Reporter reviews. Both positive, THR is more critical but also spoilerific so beware the second one if you want to remain vestal...
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Downy or Evans being nominated for an Oscar is not the long shot. Winning is the true long shot.Comment
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huedell...I'm just curious. Do you like ANY Superhero or Science fiction movies?? It just seems like you hate everything that everybody else loves.
God, I'd hate to be as cynical as you.
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A snippet of one of the "rotten" reviews currently on RT...
So in one paragraph this reviewer (who, as superficial as this sounds, does not really look like the type to enjoy action movies, much less superhero movies) sort of praises A:AoU for it's action and visual effects, then damns it for there being too little time to get "involved" in the movie, compliments it again for the relationship aspects, then complains that it's an incoherent story, but says the plot is "too complicated". Sounds like a reviewer who couldn't make up her friggin' mind as to whether she actually liked the movie or not, so she just decided to give it a "rotten" rating (I believe I've read that the reviewers themselves can make the choice as to whether their review is "fresh" or "rotten"). I've seen way too many movies that were outstandingly good, but were panned by critics because they either had a lack of interest in the subject matter or a lack of knowledge about the subject matter. In the case of this reviewer, I think she's spending a lot of time picking the splinters out of her arse for all the fence riding she does...Review by Louise Keller:
High scale escapism is in abundant supplies in this tornado of action and special effects in which Marvel’s heroes are ready, willing and able save the world. It’s full throttle all the way and there is little time to become involved in anything much beyond the visual spectacle. Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, Black Widow and Hawkeye all get their individual turns to shine, although it is the relationship between Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk and Scarlett Johansson’s Black Widow that has the most appeal. While the visuals are extraordinary and the wry humour is welcome, what’s missing is a coherent story with light and shade. The plot involving Ultron, the high-tech robot with aspirations to destroy the world and make the Avengers extinct is far too complicated – as a consequence, the film is best enjoyed on a visual level.sigpic Oh then, what's this? Big flashy lighty thing, that's what brought me here! Big flashy lighty things have got me written all over them. Not actually. But give me time. And a crayon.Comment
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Sounds like a critic who just wanted to set herself apart from the pack. It might have helped her case had she offered a coherent critique. I've come to learn that movie reviews , either way they flow, are often disingenuous and cater more to what the trend is (suggesting they never saw it) or a personal bias in which they probably didn't see it either. Regardless, what is lost is a true objective breakdown of the film itself. I see it all the time and I think the Rotten Tomato rating is completely rigged. They offer fresh ratings for reviews that bash films with no stars for measure, or string out actually counting bad reviews in favor of good ones to manipulate a higher score until after a film they like opens (the reverse is also true). At the end of the day, those reviews ultimately service arguments for or against a film when it enters the conversation. Outside of seeing it, I don't think there's much to point to for credibility. How many films are among our personal favorites that were hated by critics? Better yet, how many films do we deplore that the critics loved? In this instance, critics have no voice. A movie of this magnitude demands an audience, then they can decide amongst themselves.Comment
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This is a joke, right? Her review is coherent and in-line with every other legit film critic review. They're all saying a variation of the same thing, but if it's not put in the context of showering praise, fanboys get ****y and deride the reviewer.
The best review so far, from someone whose has bona rides as far back as AICN, in detail. No spoilers.
The basic rule for blockbusters is you can either have massive spectacle or massive story, but not both contained in one film. That's the sum critique of every non-glowing review; too many moving parts are at play and it dilutes certain aspects. But even with that mild criticism and an overall positive review, it's apparently still too harsh .
Marvel movies have a pattern that started with the first Iron Man; convoluted storylines as an attempt to show depth. It doesn't matter because the other pieces - actors, effects, designs, action scenes - are solid.Comment
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I don't agree. Her review was not very clear at all. In one breath she states it's devoid of plot, then goes on to suggest it's plot is too complicated. By definition that's a contradiction and thus incoherent of sound reasoning. I also don't agree with your suggestion that one needs to defer to a review as if the author somehow holds a higher authority on the subject than yourself. There is no standard educational structure to be a movie critic. I've seen some with a wealth of education, while other's have very little if any. So whatever your definition may be, it remains simply your opinion. You're emotional rush to demean people and define yourself as an authority on the matter certainly delivers the final nail in that coffin.Comment
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I thought this review was very well written even if the title is way to sensational and doesn't capture the critics real feelings.
In short, he thought it was fine but kind of a let down.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmen...isappointment/Mortui Vivos Docent
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She refers to story and plot, which are different. Storyline is who/what/when/where/why. How is plot. Plot moves the story forward. This is why superhero movies are a heavy trend; the 4W's are easy to explain to the audience. The trick is the How, and most of the time it's a clunker. That's why studios love origin movies; they can follow the How model for previous origin films and hopefully dress it so the pattern isn't blatant.
So she's saying the story is rote, which is normal for sequels, and they made the Ultron plot convoluted so the audience won't predict the outcome in the second act. So the acting, action and pace are rock solid, which makes it all work.
That is whole point about who is a critic and who is not. If the critic cannot breakdown the elements at work, then it has no value. And there is an educational standard, it's just been totally devalued by fansites who are motivated by connections and eyeballs. This has been a raging debate within the industry for fifteen years now.
I'm not the one who insinuated a secondary motivation to the review. You implied she did it to down vote AoU, as if this is a cheerleading contest.Comment
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Convoluted as in "attempting to be complex", not confusing. By making Stane the force behind the Ten Rings, Loki wanting to get caught by SHIELD, the entire story for IM2, IM3 and Winter Soldier.
MoS is seriously guilty of this, too. You can bet BvS will be drowning in convoluted red herrings.Comment
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