Amazing Spider-Man 2 adds another villain...the RHINO!

[Brazoo]

You could get that just from a picture of a guy driving angry?

Also...
Besides a couple Parker moments in 3, were there other Raimi campy bits in the series?

To me Raimi and Burton play with intentional camp, while I thought Amazing Spider-man was un-intentionally campy, so maybe I'm being inaccurate or unclear with my use of the word, but I see the as two slightly different things.

Throughout Raimi's Spider-man I thought there was a lot of fun campy ingredients, like those psychedelic quick montages with fire and skulls (kinda plagiarized his own work from Darkman, I thought). Also, the performances were generally over-the-top. I enjoyed that about the Raimi movies - i thought that made them more wild and fun. The third one just didnt work for me though.

I found Amazing Spider-man flat. It just didn't engage me. To me it's campiness is exemplified in the telling of the origin. In the Raimi version he went with something closer to the 60s comic version - the crazy wrestling scenes leading up to the thief Parker lets go. Its all a little wild and larger than life. to me it was fun. The new version tries for something I guess they thought was more low-key and realistic, but it didn't feel more believable to me, it seemed just as implausible, but less fun, so I think it backfired. The Lizard was as cheesy as any b-movie I've ever seen, but it was like they were trying so hard to treat what was happening seriously that it just made me think about how unintentially silly it all was. Night of the Lepus comes to mind - as a more extreme case.

Clearly you're a fan, and that's cool - I'm not saying that you shouldn't have enjoyed it, and I'm not trying to take anything away from you. I'm just blowing off steam by teasing because I was disappointed.

[huedell]

Clearly you're a fan, and that's cool - I'm not saying that you shouldn't have enjoyed it, and I'm not trying to take anything away from you. I'm just blowing off steam by teasing because I was disappointed.

You are incorrect that I am a fan of ASM. I much preferred the Raimi trilogy and thought ASM was as flat as you did. If you are curious why my attitude has painted me differently, it's because I'm seeing a lot of posts that come off unjustified or undefined to me, and so I've been asking questions and pointing out things to you guys to try to get a better idea of why there's such negativity particularly towards what may or may not be in ASM2. I appreciate your detail as well as your concession that we may have didfferent definitions as to what constitutes something being defined as "camp".

[huedell]

>What's Batman Begins, again? "Camp" or "NOT camp"?

It exists in the middle ground of "pretentious."

Wow! I couldn't agree more.

I'm kind of surprised that multiple people here feel the way I do about Batman Begins and ASM. I sincerely did not expect that. I should savor this while I can.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^Yes, when anyone agrees with you, relish it.

As for saying the photo is campy...out of context it is. It's so overthetop it's bad...or good depending on what they are going for. Given the overall serious tone of the previous film, I'd say it's not intentional.

Again, it's out of context. I'll judge it when I see it.

I liked ASM. Liked it much better than Spidey 3. I'm a fan of the Nolan Bat-films, but even I will admit they titter on the brink of taking themselves TOO seriously.

Chris

[huedell]

^Yes, when anyone agrees with you, relish it.

Man, if I was good at posting photos, a Raiders "Now, you're getting nasty." screencap would be in order.

As for saying the photo is campy...out of context it is. It's so overthetop it's bad...or good depending on what they are going for. Given the overall serious tone of the previous film, I'd say it's not intentional.

Okay. I guess I see where you're coming from.

But to give you a better perspective on why I've been probing here: IF Giamatti was doing the same exact thing in that picture with the addition of him being in Rhino form ... or, better yet, if Giamatti was holding Norman Osbourne's severed head in one hand with his other hand on the steering wheel, *then* my attitude wouldn't be so quizzical

P.S. Superhero films, after all, are supposed to (largely) have qualities of "action films"--- it's almost like if you're too hard on "over the top" ideas in these kind of movies, it then seems counter-productive to what the movies are supposed to inherently be. In other words, if "camp" and "over the top" are inseperable, that would make Avengers the campiest movie of all time, just about.

[palitoy]

Just checking my list..

Stuff I no longer want to discuss here
Doctor Who X
Star Trek X

and now
Superhero movies X

I'll be in the Monster section guarding it fervently and i'll warn you, I'm stabby.

[Brazoo]

Just checking my list..

Stuff I no longer want to discuss here
Doctor Who X
Star Trek X

and now
Superhero movies X

I'll be in the Monster section guarding it fervently and i'll warn you, I'm stabby.

Quick! They're casting some white non-Egyptian dude named Boris Karloff as The Mummy! There's going to be a smack down!

[Earth 2 Chris]

I'm all for discussion on some topics, but I think there is a point reached where discussion turns into debate, and we've reached it A LOT here lately. And such things aren't worth debating, honestly. I come here for fun, not to have every post I make picked apart by armchair psychologists.

Lighten up folks. It's something I need to remind myself from time to time as well, because I get bogged down in the mire as well. It's all funny books, cartoons, and such. Not worth losing sleep over. Hobbies are supposed to be FUN.

Chris

[palitoy]

Quick! They're casting some white non-Egyptian dude named Boris Karloff as The Mummy! There's going to be a smack down!

Karloff's grandfather was East Indian, still not Egyptian but at least he had color.

What the hell am I doing?

[MIB41]

Quick! They're casting some white non-Egyptian dude named Boris Karloff as The Mummy! There's going to be a smack down!

Boris Karloff is part of the Anglo-Indian heritage. He's ANYTHING but "white". Gosh Brian. You took the bait on that one!

BTW, I'll be having a wonderful time with his daughter in Louisville this weekend at Wonderfest. She is like extended family for us. Sarah is a sweet lady.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^Man, I'd really like to go this weekend. Lots of family stuff going on, so I doubt it will happen. I'd love to meet her. Seems like a classy lady!

Chris

[MIB41]

^Man, I'd really like to go this weekend. Lots of family stuff going on, so I doubt it will happen. I'd love to meet her. Seems like a classy lady!

Chris

Yep! She's already in town and we had a brief get together last night. For her seminar I think she's going to cover more of her father's movies in the 60's (like Targets). She's kind of Frankenstein'd out. We can't blame her. Sweet lady and about as nice a person as you would ever want to meet.

[huedell]

I'm all for discussion on some topics, but I think there is a point reached where discussion turns into debate, and we've reached it A LOT here lately. And such things aren't worth debating, honestly. I come here for fun, not to have every post I make picked apart by armchair psychologists.

Lighten up folks. It's something I need to remind myself from time to time as well, because I get bogged down in the mire as well. It's all funny books, cartoons, and such. Not worth losing sleep over. Hobbies are supposed to be FUN.

But, to me, "debating" and playing "armchair psychologist" IS fun... especially about superheroes et al.

Maybe I've been missing the point of the culture and expected behavior all these years at the Museum forums, but I thought as long as we had a mutual respectful dialogue (with mods and board majority ethics keeping all of us in check with risk of misbehavior), that anything went here in regard to discussion... including "debate".

I'd think no matter how amiable this place desires to be, it is (after all) an internet message board for toy nerds... some things about that are inherently controversial. I mean, come on.

[Vinny0026]

Just reading these - I really can't see him as Rhino - at all. Great actor no doubt - but this role is not for him. I would have liked it if they went with someone larger like the Rock or Someone else with his size.

[boynightwing]

I'm excited for it. I really am. I enjoyed Amazing. It may not be my favorite movie of life but I had a good time watching it. If they tell a good story that is consistent with the world they created, I will be happy.

It's like X-Men First Class. It's 95% Comic book inaccurate but I could care less and it's my favorite X-Men movie. They told a good story.