Yet Another Attempt at a Wonder Woman TV Show

[ozcollector1992]

I agree and the show can definitely ground Ryan and Blake's characters so that they could be used in the JL film. I personally liked the GL movie but this can help out the characters for those who didnt

[thunderbolt]

That would rock! It would be just like the comics.

Ummm, no it wouldn't.

[Operation:Mego]

Ummm, no it wouldn't.

Hmm, Hal Jordan acting like the ring is the coolest thing ever...so out of character, right? Besides, that was the cocky test pilot, not the reserved, responsible Green Lantern he is now. Hector even comments on it. “Hal…you’ve changed. How nice that all it took you to grow up is the end of the world!” So, ummm, yes it would.

[thunderbolt]

nahh, he was horrid in the role and that little "I know, right?" bit has become a joke and to me sums up all that was craptacular about that movie. Sure glad I watched it as a bootleg and didn't pay for it.

[ctc]

>the show can definitely ground Ryan and Blake's characters so that they could be used in the JL film

That's an interesting idea.

>that was the cocky test pilot, not the reserved, responsible Green Lantern he is now

Hmmmm.... Hal has the same problem a lot of the classic characters have; back during his inception he had such a generic personality that it's tough to peg him down when you want to flesh things out more. I don't think there's been a definitive version yet.... good AND bad for folks looking to take hin to other media.

Don C.

[Earth 2 Chris]

^Mark Waid has pointed out that Hal DID make a few "cocky" comments in the Silver Age, in a break from the standard bland DC personality of the time. I think those very few moments formed the basis for the later writers portraying Hal as the self-centered, cocky hero of the early JLA.

Of course, Denny O'Neil used Hal's standard, bland conservative personality against him in the GL/GA, by making Ollie the counter-point to the entire DCU hero firmament. So yeah, it's a bit of toss as to whether Hal is "super cocky jet jockey" or "by-the-code space cop".

Chris

[madmarva]

I'd say over the last 8 years, Geoff Johns has set Hal's personality as confident with a get-it-done attitude, even if by the seat go your pants. Loyal, but a bit skeptical of authority, particularly of the Guardians. He has no problem bending the rules and has knack for allowing his "duties" from getting in the way of ever truly committing to a relationship. But, will that portrayal stand up with him leaving the comic after the current issue ? Who knows?

The problem with Jordan's character in the GL flick is that much of the script was based on the mini series Emerald Dawn, which was the post-crisis attempt to Marvelize Jordan. This really didn't jibe with John's take on Jordan, which was that he was heroic before ever getting the ring, but Johns, as a producer and DC CCO, did rework portions of the script, leaving it a mishmash of sorts.

Was Reynolds to play Hal as a burgeoning hero, one who rises to the occasion when forced, or a guy who already has the right stuff, but gains a tool or weapon that allows him to act on a grander scale? In some scenes, it was the latter and some the former, creating an uneven performance or portrayal.

As a character, Jordan wasn't designed to be Peter Parker or Hamlet. He's decisive, a clutch player. A Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods or Tom Brady type. Jordan was chosen for the ring because he was already the best choice for the ring - brave, honest, heroic. Johns' characterization since Green Lantern Rebirth has brought that back to the character in the comics. As Chris pointed out, that portion of Jordan's character began being watered down when O'Neil used Jordan as a straw man in his morality plays, which lead to 25 years as Jordan as being a guy who flounders in everyday life but is a star when he puts on the ring and green and black costume.

But, where Emerald Dawn and in turn the movie went wrong was Hal being this irresponsible screw-up before pulling himself together when he got the ring. Screw-ups generally don't change overnight, especially when faced with a great responsibility. They tend to fold. That contradiction along with the film's inconsistent tone and poor editing made it a good-looking, well- intentioned flop.

[hedrap]

If you're looking for a culprit, blame Iron Man.

WB wanted to move quick after Iron Man. Green Lantern is/was seen as their equivalent character. Reynolds was signed for The Flash with Goyer as director/writer, but WB didn't want move with him on it, (see Blade Trinity), but they didn't want to lose Reynolds who was a hot commodity at the time. WB started another re-write on GL, which scared off the original actors they were after, (Worthington went to Titans, Pine to Trek, leaving Bradley Cooper who was considering it, then The Hangover came out). WB panicked and decided to kill two birds with one stone and moved Reynolds to GL, then amped the humor quality because they felt he could play the smartass like Downey. And that's how dynamite goes boom.

[madmarva]

I see the screwup and the doubt and loveable loser in Jordan's character in the GL movie (which is straight out of Emerald Dawn), but not the smartass. Maybe it's because the lines weren't as sharply written or for that matter delivered in the GL film as they were by Downey in the Iron Man flicks, but the Jordan character is more of whiner than a smartass in the movie to me.

I did think it was funny that in the latest Trek film, Pine's Kirk character had a scene reminiscent of Reynolds' scene in GL when he wakes up late for an appointment, leaving a lover in bed, only Kirk left two two hotties behind. Probably coincidental, but then again maybe not.

I like Reynolds and think he fits the role; however, Pine or Worthington would have worked, too, maybe better, but I think the issue was more the script than the actor. Cooper's a good actor, but doesn't really have a super-hero quality to me. My feeling may come from watching him get beat up all the time on Alias.

Johns said he worked on a Barry Allen Flash script as well as a Shazam script at Comic Con in 2009 at the Green Lantern movie panel. Did the Goyer script use Allen or Wally West? Two very different characters with the same powers and alias, but of course it's clear the films don't have to follow the comics lead anyway.

Oh, well, this was a Wonder Woman thread, wasn't it?

[Operation:Mego]

With the announcement that the new Flash TV series, Flash, by Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg would be fast-tracked, CW President Mark Pedowitz confirmed that "Amazon is on pause (as) the script is not exactly what we wanted, and with an iconic character like Wonder Woman, we have to get it right."