New Spider-Man

[kingdom warrior]

Creators won't "create" new characters for DC or Marvel because they can't own them. They get participation in their profits, but that's it. So if someone comes up with the redneck version of Shang-Chi, they get participation for it. And they don't have to give away their best ideas to Marvel and DC. They can create brand new characters that they own lock stock and barrel and take them pretty much anywhere else.

Chris

Yup! you're better off taking Marvel characters that no one is using and spin them in a new direction.....than create something new.

[knight errant00]

Just to bring this back to the discussion at hand... If we are talking about the primary architects of the Ultimates comics here, these guys are on the front lines of creating popular new superhero comics.

Mark miller had the number one graphic novel last year... kick ***. Not to mention Wanted, Superior, Supercrooks and the upcoming Hitgirl.

Bendis has Powers of course. Plus a couple of creator owned titles just coming out... One in collaboration with Mark bagley.

Jonathon Hickman has a half dozen indie creator owned titles everyone should be checking out. Including red mass of mars and the nightly news.

These are all some of the best titles published currently IMHO.

I haven't read all of those, but interestingly, in the case of Kick-A**, Wanted, Hitgirl, Superior and Powers the leads all seem to be caucasian, with Hitgirl and Powers at least involving female leads.

My point? Why don't these guys take their diversity chances with their OWN characters, create something new and really reflective of the world and experience they claim to want to show in their work, be the Lee, Kirby, O'Neil, Siegel, Kane, or whatever and create the next Batman or Spider-Man who'll end up on kids' pajamas and as action figures and Halloween costumes? Even Todd MacFarlane was able to do that with Spawn, for a while.

I tend to agree with some of the others here that changes like the ones upcoming in Ultimate Spider-Man are mostly about geting attention and publicity and appearing more cool and worldly as writers than actually creating comics with more diverse leads -- as their own works attest.

[The Bat]

Well, you can rest assured that if this does not work out, there's a billion ways to bring Peter back. particularly since they revisited the clones...
Most were predicting Spider Woman (female clone), Johnny Storm or even Kitty pryde seemed like a contender.

I liked the female Spiderman Clone. If it had been her, I probably would have been interested in picking up the book.

[enyawd72]

They should call the new character...wait for it...

THE BROWN RECLUSE




And before the pitchforks come out, I'd like to say this is an homage in satire to Bill Cosby's "The Brown Hornet"

[torgospizza]

Should Wonder Woman be recast as a minority male..?

Don't give them any ideas!

The only problem I ever have with minority characters in comics is that they remind me of another pet peeve of mine: white guys talking jive whenever they converse with a black person. They get overwhelmed addressing the modifier, rather than the person. It seems comic writers also often forget basic things about people when they're writing characters whom might be different than themselves--how many times does Nightcrawler (or any foreign character, f.ex.) speak fluent English for an entire sentence; yet, has to slip into their mother tongue for a simple word like the or friend? I fully expect this new guy to be Peter Parker with dark skin and an early 1990s rap vocabulary sprinkled judiciously throughout his speech, because that's how comic writers deliver. Half-arsed.

But it's cool--whatever they do is fine with me, because they've taught me not to expect much from them.

[The Bat]

I think they missed their opportunity to cover ALL the politically correct bases. They should have made the new Spider-person...a Female, black/hispanic, lesbian, vegetarian.

[Cosmicman]

Ultimate Universe = Steaming pile of dog ****

[VintageMike]

I'vw actually enjoyed "Ultimate Fallout" but this is ridiculous. Bottom there are some heroes who there is only one person can be. The only Spider-Man in any universe should be Peter Parker. As far as redoing things it's OK if done right..see the early issues of the original Ultimate Spider_man.

[david_b]

Creators won't "create" new characters for DC or Marvel because they can't own them. They get participation in their profits, but that's it. So if someone comes up with the redneck version of Shang-Chi, they get participation for it. And they don't have to give away their best ideas to Marvel and DC. They can create brand new characters that they own lock stock and barrel and take them pretty much anywhere else.

Chris

Chris: I agree with your points, but if that's the case.., then creators.., leave DC and Marvel.

How many independents in the '80s and '90s have scored big..?? Judge Dredd, Turtles, I can't name them all.. Again, my earlier point is, 'Create Demand'..

Tough to do..?? You betcha.

But, me thinks I protest too much..: I'm just bantering here. I wouldn't go near today's comics with a yardstick anyways, so what does it matter..? My love is to comics from Silver/Bronze Ages..

As David Tennant said to Peter Davison in 'Timecrash'.., "Give all my love to long ago.."

[Werewolf]

A quick check of a couple of comic news sites is helping prove my concerns of this whole thing smelling of senstationalism and race baiting to drum up hype for the event and now hits for these comic news sites as well. I'm seeing articles with oh so creative and original titles like "Fear of a black Spider-Man" and "Fear of a black Perry White." They are trying to bait people and bring out the worst of them. They are trying to stir up crap.

Insincere and hypoctritical corporate playing of people against each other at its finest. I guess it is sort of brilliant in its own condecending and expoiltive way. And corporate laughs at us all the way to the bank.


Personally, I can understand Spidey fans being ticked Peter was murdered and replaced. I was royal ticked off when Wonder Woman was replaced by a blond and for the record, no, I don't hate blond women.

[Riffster]

I won't be reading that's for sure, Parker is Spidey plain and simple

[samurainoir]

I'm not happy with the lament that you need to change the race of a hero like Spidey to make it more 'relative' or entertaining. As mentioned, that's actually racist, that 'certain races' won't relate or buy the comic due to the race of the character. That disturbs me the most.
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Well, i'm assuming that you've probably never stood in the middle of the playground and been told that you can't be Spider-man because you're not white.

But that's kind of the point here as well. It's the relative ages of the audience that is commenting here, vs perhaps the hope of a younger demographic. It's a fact that kids are very self centered and do learn to relate over time with others outside of their experience.

If a kid who is Hispanic or black from a single parent family, happens to come across this comic (which isn't likely because of the sell out), and finds that they can relate to the character and is inspired by the character of Miles Morales, I honestly don't see how that can be viewed as a negative by everyone here. Particularly since the way the modern marketing machine works,,, Spiderman is pretty omnipresent in the world. How does that take away anything from Peter Parker?

[samurainoir]

My point? Why don't these guys take their diversity chances with their OWN characters.

we're talking about Bendis... Who Did co-creat Takio with his own daughter.

And it's not like Marvel isn't involved in this process. If we are going to use the Kirby argument... Under work for hire Marvel is the creator of the new Spider-man. And Marvel is a huge corporate conglomerate with multiple shared universes. That already has a previous example of a Hispanic future Spiderman... And that character's ethnicity really has nothing to do with copyright.

[samurainoir]

Spidey of India and Japan exist because they are different cultures with different languages, reading styles, etc... Every main comic character that goes to India or Japan is culturally translated so it makes sense to that country. It happens in most non-English countries.

As for 2099 and Spider-Girl, it's called trademarks. Do you remember in the 90's when Marvel did that alternate X-reality which replaced the normal titles? That was all trademark driven. 2099 was supposed to be Ultimates before Ultimates. This tactic has been apart of the comic world since the golden age.
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Well, the US is a multi cultural society with a great deal of diversity. As for my own country, it's the only one in the world with Multi-culturalism written into the constitution. Nothing wrong with Spiderman attempting to reflect that diversity. IIf they are cranking out more and more Spiderman titles anyway, why not take a chance with one?

The ethnicity of Spiderman 2099 has nothing to do with trademark. The point was... Already precedence for an alt universe Spiderman that exists in one monthly title quite nicely alongside the dozens of comics that featured Peter Parker. What is the difference here?

And if anyone is already missing Teen Spiderman... I have no doubt that there will be any number of new titles with teen Parker out in time for the new movie

[The Bat]

Yawn.