Smallville: Series Finale!

[Rat King]

Excellent point. I really enjooyed the last Trek movie BUT it does suck the way the producers/ studio machine decided to flush everything as far as history goes down the toilet. Just like Lucas with Star Wars.

Huh? Star Trek I can see because it was established but where did Lucas "flush" it?

[Brue]

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

as much as i hate the dream sequence this one doesn't bother me. i am not sure if it is becasue it came far enough after the fact or more likely because I consider this an alternate universe - you know like DC's infinite earths coexisting

[Brue]

No, I understood what you just diagramed.

The thing is... I don't understand how someone can be concerned when
a fictional work turns out to be.... fictional.

Yeah, if it messes with what FOLLOWS it in that fictional work...
well, yeah, that'd justify some concern because of the offshoot
of the plot, but otherwise (as in SMALLVILLE as it ENDED)... nothing.

"Wiped out" can't really be applied to something that goes from A to B
and ends. (It shouldn't apply to a different convulution of the "dream"
but ESPECIALLY not to something that ends).

because people invest in the characters and the story and the dream sequence says HA you just wasted your time -sucka!

if it doesn't matter to you what happens to the characters then why even bother watching or reading or listening to a story?

[huedell]

First I don't think anyone is "concerned" when a fictional work turns out to be fictional. We all know that going in, at least anyone intelligent knows that. But, when you leave from point A in a story get to point B you don't want to be told that point A and the whole journey getting to point B no longer exists as part of the story. That goes for any fiction, we go into it KNOWING that it is fiction but we want that fictional world to be there on the last page, otherwise what's the point?

To enjoy what you watched (is the point) as opposed to being bummed. So, yes, I'd say people are "concerned"... and that's putting it lightly.

IMO when a company makes a show and asks us, the viewing public, to like and care about the characters and give up our time each week to watch ( and make them tons of money ) it is condescending to at the end to erase the whole concept and basically call everyone who watched a loser for wasting their time.

Well, that's a certain sect's opinion... one that I can't wrap my brain around when they react the way they do... again, ESPECIALLY
at the END of a series' run. It's over. Nothing to muck up in that fictional
world... just point A to point B to enjoy IMHO.

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

They knew that there'd be a huge Trekkie contingent that'd feel this way
(as that group takes these kinds of things so personally),
that's why they they went out of their way to explain that the original Trek
universe STILL EXISTED in it's own timeline and will never truly
disappear in that fictional world... which is funny, because that's
actually dang close to my main point in the REAL world, which is...
only YOU can be responsible for eliminating the joy that a
series once brought to you.

[jimsmegos]

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

Excellent point. I really enjooyed the last Trek movie BUT it does suck the way the producers/ studio machine decided to flush everything as far as history goes down the toilet. Just like Lucas with Star Wars. In both instances I truly believe it was all about the bucks and the hope that they could ride their respective cash cows one more time by resaddling them. I think it worked better for Star Wars than trek but still it is sad.

Thinking about Smallville, for me I can see Tom Wellings Clark Kent haveing grown into the George Reeves Superman. Considering that once all of the drama was closed out and Metropolis took shape into the comicbook world we know, that seems to work better. The Movie Superman's seem to be f a totally different ilk.

[Mego Magyar]

No, I understood what you just diagramed.

The thing is... I don't understand how someone can be concerned when
a fictional work turns out to be.... fictional.

Yeah, if it messes with what FOLLOWS it in that fictional work...
well, yeah, that'd justify some concern because of the offshoot
of the plot, but otherwise (as in SMALLVILLE as it ENDED)... nothing.

"Wiped out" can't really be applied to something that goes from A to B
and ends. (It shouldn't apply to a different convulution of the "dream"
but ESPECIALLY not to something that ends).

First I don't think anyone is "concerned" when a fictional work turns out to be fictional. We all know that going in, at least anyone intelligent knows that. But, when you leave from point A in a story get to point B you don't want to be told that point A and the whole journey getting to point B no longer exists as part of the story. That goes for any fiction, we go into it KNOWING that it is fiction but we want that fictional world to be there on the last page, otherwise what's the point?

IMO when a company makes a show and asks us, the viewing public, to like and care about the characters and give up our time each week to watch ( and make them tons of money ) it is condescending to at the end to erase the whole concept and basically call everyone who watched a loser for wasting their time.

I forgot another example of "erasing" continuity. The last Star Trek movie erased all Star Trek tv and movie stories that came before.

[VintageMike]

I was 50/50. I thought the first half was slow but loved the second half, especially the ending.
As far as any spinoff, I wouldn't rule it out because this is the CW we are talking about.
They don't have much to hang their hat on and many of the new shows they've some up (nothing to do with comics) have failed to attract an audience. Another of their long running series "One Tree Hill" will be on it's last season next year if it's renewed. If they can get enough players and think it will grab even a good portion of Smallville's audience
I'd think they'd be open to a spinoff. It may not last long (see "Birds Of Prey") but I'm inclined to believe they will try.

[Cosmicman]

I almost would rather see a continuation of this in a movie with Wellington as Superman. I got sucked into this damn show and now it's gone.
With all the fan heads on the websites screaming for a Wellington Superman show/movie (never happen because a reboot Superman movie with some other actor is in progress).
They teased us with that shot of the "Legion of Doom" at the table. GRRRRRRRRRR

Ok. Chris...what other shows can you get me into?

[megoscott]

Wait....so they were dead the whole time?

[huedell]

no, i think you misunderstood. they meant that they didn't want the events of the last ten years to be wiped out ala the "dream sequence" episodes we all know and hate. though i did not watch the series, Dallas dream sequenced a season or two.

No, I understood what you just diagramed.

The thing is... I don't understand how someone can be concerned when
a fictional work turns out to be.... fictional.

Yeah, if it messes with what FOLLOWS it in that fictional work...
well, yeah, that'd justify some concern because of the offshoot
of the plot, but otherwise (as in SMALLVILLE as it ENDED)... nothing.

"Wiped out" can't really be applied to something that goes from A to B
and ends. (It shouldn't apply to a different convulution of the "dream"
but ESPECIALLY not to something that ends).

[Brue]

Still, isn't that essentially what it was? A work of fiction?

It's not comicbook, yes, but it's a TV show just the same.

I don't see how that would've changed anything if it were
"just a comicbook."

...

no, i think you misunderstood. they meant that they didn't want the events of the last ten years to be wiped out ala the "dream sequence" episodes we all know and hate. though i did not watch the series, Dallas dream sequenced a season or two.

[Sideshow Spock]

BEST SERIES FINALE EVER!!!!!
OMG! I was equal parts crying and cheering. That was SO satisfying! That's how you wrap up a series! After so many lame series finales lately <coughLOSTcough> it was refreshing to see one done RIGHT.

Better than the Lost finale?

I think I know what planet you live on..

[huedell]

Even though there were things I was hopping for that weren't there I'm just glad they didn't wipe out the whole series and make Smallville only a comic book that was being read to a kid - that's was my fear when I saw the opening.

Still, isn't that essentially what it was? A work of fiction?

It's not comicbook, yes, but it's a TV show just the same.

I don't see how that would've changed anything if it were
"just a comicbook."

Anyways, first thing I thought of was the comicbook intro from the first Reeve movie.

I thought the whole show came of (as mentioned) as "elusive"... maybe
that's one of the positives abourt SMALLVILLE, in that it doesn't show the full monty for fear of overdoing things... oh well... I can't really
complain too much about a ten year Supes show.... at least, not at this moment

[The Bat]

BEST SERIES FINALE EVER!!!!!
OMG! I was equal parts crying and cheering. That was SO satisfying! That's how you wrap up a series! After so many lame series finales lately <coughLOSTcough> it was refreshing to see one done RIGHT.
Nobody who already hated the series was going to magically enjoy it from that finale but those of us who watched EVERY episode for the last TEN YEARS received our promised send-off and it was SPECTACULAR!!!
I kind of wished they had dealt with the Darkseid subplot earlier in the season and used something else for Clark's big debut (and Smallville's goodbye) but it is what it is and was done right!
Congratulations to the producers & writers and actors and THANK YOU for the last ten years. I'm going to miss having my Superman fix weekly now.
That last scene had me jumping out of my chair and shouting with enthusiasm!

[Mego Magyar]

Even though there were things I was hopping for that weren't there I'm just glad they didn't wipe out the whole series and make Smallville only a comic book that was being read to a kid - that's was my fear when I saw the opening.
It's been done before:
Saint Elsewhere wiped out the whole show having it only in the mind of an autistic child.
Dallas wiped out a whole season, remember Bobby in the shower and the past season was a dream.
Newhart wiped out the whole series as a dream.
Rosanne wipe out at least part of a season ( everything after Dan's heart attack - he really died ) as a story she was writing.