I finally seen The Black Knight yesterday.

[The Bat]

Batman no matter what you do will always be a comedy.
Yes, on many different levels depending on the genre, but a comedy nonetheless.

Couldn't disagree more! I've said for years that I believe BATMAN is taken from "Hamlet". Hence, it's a tragedy...not a comedy.

Examples:

1.)Bruce Wayne is refered to as "the Prince" of Gotham"(Hamlet-the Prince of Denmark).
2.)Bruce is taking revenge for the murder of His Parents(Hamlet seeks revenge for the murder of His Father, by His Uncle).
3.) Both Characters are deeply tortured Souls...that are just trying to find "Justice", for the wrongs done to them in life.

[thunderbolt]

^^^ Wow, you are giving Bob Kane wayyyyy to much credit.

[The Bat]

^^^ Wow, you are giving Bob Kane wayyyyy to much credit.

I didn't call Him Shakespear...but everybody has a starting point for an idea.

[Hector]

^^ The problem with "novelty" in movies is that it gets abused and you end up with a Schumacher Batfilm or Superman IV.

Exactomundo, lol.

Excellent point, my friend.

[thunderbolt]

I didn't call Him Shakespear...but everybody has a starting point for an idea.

I just don't think Kane ripped off anyone of shakespeare's stature, more like the Spider and the Shadow. Both rich playboys fighting crime as dark avengers.

[Hector]

This might have been mentioned before but imo, the whole idea of Batman is the very unrealistic, so trying to make it as realistic as possible just makes it that much more unbelievable or even unintentionally funny.

The classic Batman TV series overcame this by letting us be part of the joke.... Even Burton's did that to some extent.

This new movie series doesn't do that.
It tries too hard to make us think we're watching a legit action crime drama.
For me, it does work but not in the context they intended.

It's enjoyable for actually a different reason .......
The seriousness of the movie's setting and tone is actually the joke.

Batman no matter what you do will always be a comedy.
Yes, on many different levels depending on the genre, but a comedy nonetheless.

This newer version is just a different kind of joke .....
Deadpan, I think they call it.

Hey, that would be a good Bat Villian

Have you even read the old Batman comics...especially the Golden Age ones?

There's absolutely nothing comedic about them...nothing.

Bob Kane created Batman as a counter-point to goodie-two shoes-Superman...the comics was all about crime drama.

You are too stuck on the campy 60s television show and the horrid Batman comics of the 70s.

[thunderbolt]

ya know what's missing in this thread? More Huedell.

[huedell]

ya know what's missing in this thread? More Huedell.

Believe me---I''ve been clocking this thread looking for another "in".

It's tough because there is a LOT of "point" then "counter-point" already here

---and so things have been covered and sides have been taken in earnest
that I would've said basically the same thing by posting.

But t-bolt---you wanted the huedell EXPERIENCE

Where do I stand now?

Don's points about internal consistent tone was paramount in this thread.

Really, superhero movies should have an element of fun in my opinion.

The Nolan BATMAN doesn't really have it---but it's there in small doses and
is written so well(!!!) that it basically makes up for any lack of giddy fun.

I'm not really into championing superhero movies as the better movies
historically---but if I had to pick movies that I think were good superhero
movies---the best of the biggies in that genre---I'd say...

I liked Burton's two Batman movies for their poetic wicked/naughty style
and Raimi's first two Spidey flicks due to Peter's lovable loser character
going up against villain genuises with cool gadgets set against a light tone
---more focused than SPIDEY 3 which I thought was a bit too fractured
in tone and plot but still fun.

Otherwise SUPERMAN RETURNS great performances by Spacey and Routh
admirable Donner trbute and bold plot inclusion of the kid made it cool
for me

-- and SUPERMAN III's screwball standalone quality was tasty in it's own way.

SUPERMAN II would be nothing without it's cast---the plot was too disjointed and scattered in tone ala SPIDER-MAN 3---but what a cast it was! The
PHANTOM ZONE actors were the clincher.

P.S. I remember thinking the oft-maligned DAREDEVIL was okay--
but I'd have to watch it again.

[Hector]

ya know what's missing in this thread? More Huedell.

Oh Jesus...look at what you did now.

[kingdom warrior]

P.S. I remember thinking the oft-maligned DAREDEVIL was okay--
but I'd have to watch it again.

Hue, If you can get your hands on the directors cut of DD you might enjoy that more. It has a better story line than the theatrical release there was a whole story line cut out. When added back in and few other elements it makes for a way better cut of the movie.

[Hector]

Hue, If you can get your hands on the directors cut of DD you might enjoy that more. It has a better story line than the theatrical release there was a whole story line cut out. When added back in and few other elements it makes for a way better cut of the movie.

Is the director cut void of Ben Affleck?

Because if it's not...then it still sucks.

[huedell]

Hue, If you can get your hands on the directors cut of DD you might enjoy that more. It has a better story line than the theatrical release there was a whole story line cut out. When added back in and few other elements it makes for a way better cut of the movie.

Thanks for the advice...I'll have to track that version down sometime.

Maybe eventually I'll get the version with the "HECTOR COMMENTARY"---
---now THAT would be something

[huedell]

Anyone that saw the S:TAS three-parter "WORLD'S FINEST"
also called the BATMAN/SUPERMAN MOVIE---with Bats/Supes/Luthor/Joker
---wouldn't you agree a live-action of something like that would be awesome
if not the best?

Can you imagine stars like Ledger, Spacey, Bale and Routh---two hot
chicks playing HARLEY and MERCY in that???

A great Lois actress?

I'd just love it.

I don't understand why the guys that worked on the Timm/Dini stuff couldn't make a live action DCU movie that kicked butt.

[kingdom warrior]

Is the director cut void of Ben Affleck?

Because if it's not...then it still sucks.

LOL!!!! I was going to write that and i said i bet Hector says this!!! LOL!!!!!

[Hector]

Thanks for the advice...I'll have to track that version down sometime.

Maybe eventually I'll get the version with the "HECTOR COMMENTARY"---
---now THAT would be something

You are gonna hear me say BEN AFFLECK SUCKS about 1500 times during the flick.

I take that back...make that 2000 times.