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I finally seen The Black Knight yesterday.

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  • Dave Mc
    Administrator
    • Oct 20, 2002
    • 17827

    #16
    When I entered this thread I thought you were going to tell us how you met Jason "Black Knight" from our boards.

    I was also late seeing this flick. I didn't feel comfortable taking my son to see it in theatres, so waited for the DVD release. I'm glad I did. It's just a little too "real". Maybe not in the characters, but in the violence and motivations.

    But I enjoyed it. Batman, like all these kinds of characters are subject to interpretations of the writers at any given time. These movies have taken elements from many different Batman styles over time.

    Personally, I think Oldman as Gordon is perfect. I really like what they've done with that character.

    Joker- He was intense crazy and evil, and Ledger did a great job, but honestly, I think his performance was a bit over-rated, probably because of his death. I think they nailed the insane violence, but like you, I think there could have been more...I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he didn't seem to find it all that funny. That said, I really like the relationship, the one can't exist without the other thing they did here. Miller drove that point pretty hard in Dark Knight, and it was nice to see it presented here.

    The Rachel character has always been pointless. Although I liked this version much better than the Katie Holmes version. Personally, I don't find Katie all that, so that took attraction out of the picture for me, and I think they did much more with her in this flick, at least she had some purpose, but the character was really not neccessary in either film.

    I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.

    Still, all and all I liked the flick alot. I can forgive a lot so the batcycle thing doesn't bother me in the least, and honestly, I thought it was awesome when it scaled the wall to turn around.

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    • BlackKnight
      The DarkSide Customizer
      • Apr 16, 2005
      • 14622

      #17
      Originally posted by Dave Mc
      When I entered this thread I thought you were going to tell us how you met Jason "Black Knight" from our boards.
      ... Me too !
      I was wondering when that Porno I did would get out there...

      As for the rest of the Nonsense in this thread,.. I dunno even How to address it,.. I liked the Movie, it was great.
      ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


      always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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      • jwyblejr
        galactic yo-yo
        • Apr 6, 2006
        • 11147

        #18
        Originally posted by Dave Mc



        Joker- He was intense crazy and evil, and Ledger did a great job, but honestly, I think his performance was a bit over-rated, probably because of his death. I think they nailed the insane violence, but like you, I think there could have been more...I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he didn't seem to find it all that funny. That said, I really like the relationship, the one can't exist without the other thing they did here. Miller drove that point pretty hard in Dark Knight, and it was nice to see it presented here.
        Agreed. There was even one scene(can't remember which one) that was set up perfectly for a quip or a joke and nothing. Other than that and setting up Batman as the scapegoat at the end,I enjoyed this movie.

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        • BlackKnight
          The DarkSide Customizer
          • Apr 16, 2005
          • 14622

          #19
          I think the Joker Found turning Dent into Two-Face very Funny. In a sick twisted way. imo.
          ... The Original Knight ..., Often Imitated, However Never Duplicated. The 1st Knight in Customs.


          always trading for Hot Toys Figures .

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          • huedell
            Museum Ball Eater
            • Dec 31, 2003
            • 11069

            #20
            Dave Mc wrote:

            I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker
            entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he
            didn't seem to find it all that funny.
            I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I
            never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have
            set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing
            later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not
            sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.
            Still, all and all I liked the flick alot.
            I agree on all those points Dave.

            And your review overall was the closest to my reaction that I've seen on
            these boards yet.

            I wouldn't agree that Ledger's Joker was too "overrated" but at the same
            time I wanted more "Jokerness" as you described...and I can't tell you how
            frustrated I am that Ledger died and cannot add more to this character
            along with some inspired writers....I know they could and would have got closer with more time to develop the character.

            I know it'll painful for many fans (heck, including me even) if they
            recast The Joker----but he deserves an even better shot than
            he got in TDK....which was dang good to begin with.
            "No. No no no no no no. You done got me talkin' politics. I didn't wanna'. Like I said y'all, I'm just happy to be alive. I think I'll scoot over here right by this winda', let this beautiful carriage rock me to sleep, and dream about how lucky I am." - Chris Mannix

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            • Hector
              el Hombre de Acero
              • May 19, 2003
              • 31852

              #21
              Originally posted by thunderbolt
              Don't worry about the "chick" she got blowed up real good and won't be back.

              As for Gordon, he's dead on perfect. Oldman nailed the part.

              Joker. I really dig this version and the shabby look to him.
              Agreed on all three sentences.

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              • Hector
                el Hombre de Acero
                • May 19, 2003
                • 31852

                #22
                Ledger was my favorite Joker of all times...I loved his crazy mofo persona.

                You want clowns?

                Go to a circus.

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                • Hector
                  el Hombre de Acero
                  • May 19, 2003
                  • 31852

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Dave Mc

                  I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.
                  Dark Knight was born because of Dent/Two Face...I thought that was the whole point of the movie.

                  To me...he was by FAR the most tragic character...and the only one who I truly felt sorry for.
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                  • Hector
                    el Hombre de Acero
                    • May 19, 2003
                    • 31852

                    #24
                    I do agree with Mike on that Batpod...you would kill yourself with those big fat tires...it would be suicide cornering in that thing.

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                    • thunderbolt
                      Hi Ernie!!!
                      • Feb 15, 2004
                      • 34211

                      #25
                      Just bring back Harvey for the third film, have him go public and clear the Batman's name in Gotham. As for the Batpod, yeah it looks silly, but its actually a functional bike, see the special features on the dvd.
                      You must try to generate happiness within yourself. If you aren't happy in one place, chances are you won't be happy anyplace. -Ernie Banks

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                      • Earth 2 Chris
                        Verbose Member
                        • Mar 7, 2004
                        • 32979

                        #26
                        I think the reason the Joker was less...comedic...was partially due to the spectre of Jack Nicholson that hangs over the character now. If he was too bombastic with it, comparisons would have been made to Jack. Plus they keyed in more to the original interpretation of the Joker from Batman #1, where he was a rather mirthless killer. The "joke" was he was a clown killing people.

                        Chris
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                        • kept back
                          Persistent Member
                          • Aug 2, 2002
                          • 1203

                          #27
                          The Joker's thing with Harvey dent is right out of the Killing Joke when he kidnapped Gordon and showed him photos of his daughter being tortured. It was all an attempt to prove that all it takes is one baad day to reduce even the sanest man alive to complete madness. In The Killing Joke Gordon withstands the Joker's abuse, but in The Dark Knight, Harvey succumbs.

                          They took so many elements from classic stories(The Long Halloween, Year One, The Killing Joke, Joker's Five Way Revenge, Batman #1) and blended them together almost seamlessly into this story. If you need know my opinion on this film, just look at my signature where I paraphrase Talladega Nights.
                          Of all the souls I have encountered his was the most...human.

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                          • Earth 2 Chris
                            Verbose Member
                            • Mar 7, 2004
                            • 32979

                            #28
                            They took so many elements from classic stories(The Long Halloween, Year One, The Killing Joke, Joker's Five Way Revenge, Batman #1) and blended them together almost seamlessly into this story.
                            So seamlessly, that even 6 months later, I'm still discovering things they adapted here and there, and I'm a diehard Batman fan from way back.

                            Chris
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                            • The Toyroom
                              The Packaging King
                              • Dec 31, 2004
                              • 16653

                              #29
                              ^ Same here.....the scene were the Joker is disguised (sans clown makeup) as a police officer made me think of the Joker's 1st appearance when he was disguised as athe police chief ...even the grin was the same.
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                              • jwyblejr
                                galactic yo-yo
                                • Apr 6, 2006
                                • 11147

                                #30
                                Yeah I noticed especially with the way The Joker kept re-telling his origin. Kind of like how even he can't remember how it goes in The Killing Joke.

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