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When I entered this thread I thought you were going to tell us how you met Jason "Black Knight" from our boards. 
I was also late seeing this flick. I didn't feel comfortable taking my son to see it in theatres, so waited for the DVD release. I'm glad I did. It's just a little too "real". Maybe not in the characters, but in the violence and motivations.
But I enjoyed it. Batman, like all these kinds of characters are subject to interpretations of the writers at any given time. These movies have taken elements from many different Batman styles over time.
Personally, I think Oldman as Gordon is perfect. I really like what they've done with that character.
Joker- He was intense crazy and evil, and Ledger did a great job, but honestly, I think his performance was a bit over-rated, probably because of his death. I think they nailed the insane violence, but like you, I think there could have been more...I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he didn't seem to find it all that funny. That said, I really like the relationship, the one can't exist without the other thing they did here. Miller drove that point pretty hard in Dark Knight, and it was nice to see it presented here.
The Rachel character has always been pointless. Although I liked this version much better than the Katie Holmes version. Personally, I don't find Katie all that, so that took attraction out of the picture for me, and I think they did much more with her in this flick, at least she had some purpose, but the character was really not neccessary in either film.
I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.
Still, all and all I liked the flick alot. I can forgive a lot so the batcycle thing doesn't bother me in the least, and honestly, I thought it was awesome when it scaled the wall to turn around.
I was also late seeing this flick. I didn't feel comfortable taking my son to see it in theatres, so waited for the DVD release. I'm glad I did. It's just a little too "real". Maybe not in the characters, but in the violence and motivations.
But I enjoyed it. Batman, like all these kinds of characters are subject to interpretations of the writers at any given time. These movies have taken elements from many different Batman styles over time.
Personally, I think Oldman as Gordon is perfect. I really like what they've done with that character.
Joker- He was intense crazy and evil, and Ledger did a great job, but honestly, I think his performance was a bit over-rated, probably because of his death. I think they nailed the insane violence, but like you, I think there could have been more...I hate to say "jokes", but more things the Joker found funny. Joker entertains himself in his own way, and while this joker did those things, he didn't seem to find it all that funny. That said, I really like the relationship, the one can't exist without the other thing they did here. Miller drove that point pretty hard in Dark Knight, and it was nice to see it presented here.
The Rachel character has always been pointless. Although I liked this version much better than the Katie Holmes version. Personally, I don't find Katie all that, so that took attraction out of the picture for me, and I think they did much more with her in this flick, at least she had some purpose, but the character was really not neccessary in either film.
I like 2-face in the film, but I think they kind of wasted him a bit. I never understood the need to have 2 villians in each movie. They could have set up the Harvey Dent thing here and given him his own starring villain thing later. One major baddie is enough for me. And while I like the character, not sure I like the idea of him really being created by Joker as a pawn.
Still, all and all I liked the flick alot. I can forgive a lot so the batcycle thing doesn't bother me in the least, and honestly, I thought it was awesome when it scaled the wall to turn around.
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