What ever happened to all the Tim Burton Batman fans ?

[thunderbolt]

^^^ Umm, yeah that's what I said. Eastwood for old Gordon and Kurt Russell For old Bats. Annnd upon further thinking, this might be the chance to correct Burton's Joker casting and use his original choice Willem Dafoe.

[goldenryan]

Tim Burton's batman is really the first modern superhero movie before that live action superheroes were really cleesey low budget 70's tv movies.

[jds1911a1]

I still love the 1st Burton batman film I still watch it more than batman begins (and I am of the camp that likes it more that the new ones) but as others said. It looks dated today. and tecnhically only Returns is also a burton film. The other 2 crap heaps (forever and b&R) are the vison of other directors the only ties they had to Burton's film was the armor suit and supporting cast (Micheal Geogh as alfred and pat Hingle as the commisioner)

I think Nicholson's joker was better than Ledgers. Ledger just did a phsycho but I guess you could say jack napier is just jack nicholson on loud.

I think Keaton did a good job but Bale has the luxury of a script that shows us Bruce not batman first.

but all the other 90's bat films are way behind the new ones if I am rating them best to worst (even 1966's batman the movie is better than batman forver and batman and robin)

[wyldpny]

I think the first Batman movie with Keaton has been the closest to nailing what Batman was all about so far.
Batman would appear out of no where and spread his cape and strike fear in the criminals.
And who can deny that the first Batmobile simply rocked. The Tumbler? Uhm, ok.
Begins was a good film but had some pretty boring parts and Dark Knight was only a great vehicle for Heath Ledger as his Joker was pretty awesome and psychotic.
Batman in the new versions make for entertaining films but as far as Batman like what we came to love in the true Batman comics and graphic novels is not that great. Many fans of the Batman comics and up to the Dark Knight by Frank Miller saw that Batman more in Burton's '89 version than in these latest versions. Now I will agree that none of the Batman films to date have been perfect or really hit on many of the elements that make up what Batman has become over the years, and Bale has had the luxury of questionably better scripts/budgets/etc and the new films have taken the time to get more in depth with the Bruce Wayne persona, but I would say that if I had to pick between 1989 and this latest version, Burton's first Batman movie has been the closest so far.
I loved the Batman film in 1989 and I still love it now. Yeah, some of the effects back then in 1989 seem a bit dated compared to all of the digital effects available today, but that is true with ANY older movie. Look at the original Star Trek series. They went and redid the effects in all 79 episodes as those old effects didn't stand up to what we are all used to seeing these days.
Granted with Trek we are talking the late 1960's, but Lucas took even his Star Wars films from the 80's and redid the effects.
Now, if there was some way we could replace Nicholson's Joker with Ledgers in Burtons first Batman film and update some of the effects (ala Lucas and CBS) we would have one sweet Batman film

[thunderbolt]

^^^ I dont care for the updated effects in Wars or Trek, I really wish the studio guys and/or Lucas could keep the hands off the original stuff.

[kryptosmaster]

Tim Burton's batman is really the first modern superhero movie before that live action superheroes were really cleesey low budget 70's tv movies.

Ummmmm.......Superman: The Movie????
over 10 years before Batman.

Rich

[ctc]

>He tries to gun down the Joker from his plane, that's not something Batman has done in his history.

Well.... a big part of the problem with a legacy character is social drift. It's tough to nail down the "real" Batman 'cos the "real" Batman changes as society does. The very original Batman killed people. Sometimes he'd shoot 'em, sometimes he'd drop them to their death. But that was okay 'cos the original Batman was modeled on the pulp heroes of the time. Shooting a bad guy was perfectly acceptable to society at large. After "seduction of the innocent" superheroes were seen as predominantly kiddie fare, so you got the smiling, wiseacre Bats. Come the space race you got Batman: Intergalactic detective. With the psychedellic 60's you got the "holy camp!" Batman. The mean, lean 70's saw the serious, heavily inked Batman....

And ALL were the "real" Batman. At one time. And all were considered old hat when the fans of the new version took up the torch. Burton';s Bats is 20 years old, so it's natural that it'd be superceeded by a new template.

Don C.

[jds1911a1]

^^^ I dont care for the updated effects in Wars or Trek, I really wish the studio guys and/or Lucas could keep the hands off the original stuff.

DAMN SKIPPY BROTHER

[The Bat]

I can honestly say....I HATED the Burton/Keaton Batman Movies back then...and I still hate them now! Burton's a Freak! And Keaton was a balding, sawed off little Runt!

And Shuel-Smucker isn't even worth talking about either.


God bless Chris Nolan/David Goyer/and Bale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[huedell]

The BURTON BATMAN MOVIES will always be the best BATMAN movies in my
opinion. They were garish AND witty. A gothic cartoon with over the top
dialogue that was "classic" the minute it was uttered. I enjoyed it.

The Shumacher stuff lost any sense of fun by losing the wit...it just became pretty stupid.

Nolan and pals? I like 'em okay. Begins was passable and TDK was
passable but got tiring by the end due to wrapping up the Two-Face stuff.

Bale had solid hair though. (wink-wink)

[palitoy]

Well.... a big part of the problem with a legacy character is social drift. It's tough to nail down the "real" Batman 'cos the "real" Batman changes as society does. The very original Batman killed people.

The very original Superman jumped around and was a sandle wearing, self righteous vigilante jerk but it didn't stick either.

Batman at the point of the Burton movie had been an unarmed, non lethal killer for almost fifty years.

Granted ,things got loopy, he fought aliens and Go-Go dancers and his costume went from black to blue to black but there is commonality in that character, that isn't established in the Burton film.

The Nolan Batman is a lot of things but he's closer to the mythos than Burton's ever was/

[ctc]

>The very original Superman jumped around and was a sandle wearing, self righteous vigilante jerk but it didn't stick either.

HAW! I thought I was the only person who'd noticed! But I wouldn't quite say "didn't stick." I still feel it's a matter of changing values that he isn't said jerk. Although it's really only a matter of time 'til someone decides to "dark and gritty" him up. Everything old is new again.

"The Rock IS.... Superman."

>The Nolan Batman is a lot of things but he's closer to the mythos than Burton's ever was

I'd still say the CURRENT mythos though. The Batman that most folks think of as THE Batman is the late 80's one. Prior to that he wasn't as gadget oriented. (Although prior to THAT he was.... it's cyclic.) No armour, and the Batmobile was still kinda car-like. Those things came with the Dark Knight.

And yeah, I can even see him one day fighting alien go-go dancers again. Especially given how much "he's TOO dark" commentary you see these days.

Don C.