FTC Limited Edition DC 2-Packs

[PNGwynne]

Well. lets be honest--in Batman66 The Movie, The Joker was an inferior copy of The Joker.

Buzz was running the show in that film.

[huedell]

Good grief, seriously guys. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. The really funny/sad part is that when we are sitting here in August having had another 3-4 waves of figures out by then there will STILL be people complaining. About....something.

Except it won't be me! Unless they do something crazy like choosing all non-superheroes for a whole further wave.

Bottom line, SO far this line is a dud for me. I'm getting nothing out of it.... and the company has never proven themselves to me to boot.

Believe me, if they ACTUALLY come through with a notable amount of WGSH waves, then the best time to be a Mego fan will be in 2016. And the second best time will have been the 70s---as far as I'm concerned.
^^^as said previously

[huedell]

I'm more concerned about quality over quantity. If we get two waves (say, April-November) or even three (April-July-November) a year, that's fine by me.

I am with PNGwynne. He nailed it.

I don't think its slow at all. I think FTC is doing a great job. I would rather it be slow and look good than rushed and we get crappy figures.

Take your time FTC. Slow and steady wins the race.

LOL!!! Sorry, but I can't take anything you say seriously after that statement. Yeah, Mattel "blasted out of the gate".
Then, all their superheroes tripped and fell over themselves because of hernias, polio, and rickets. Of course, you can always turn your Lex Luthor into Professor X. His legs are SUPPOSED to be useless.

You can't take MY posts seriously enyawd72????

No need to get that aggressive.... but, I'll play along... in good fun, of course:

Me? I can't take the above posts seriously. All three of you are sold on the idea that FTC is doing this kind of release pattern (that includes timing and reuse of old molds, old clothes etc) for some kind of "quality control"?

I don't buy that for a second.

Quality control... hmmmm... FTC has a pattern of behavior that includes poor quality figure-making for YEARS that apparently they've FINALLY solved... great.

But they also have a pattern of behavior of re-use, re-packaging and otherwise moving slow: a lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak.

Hey---I'll stay positive guys... that's cool... but I'm not going to make things up as truths, when they just aren't truths.

Come on

[huedell]

On a lighter topic... I'm all with the idea that Joker and Penguin were always the front-runner Bat-villains back in the day. It makes much more sense they'd be packaged together, rather than Riddler and Joker. The "Scooby Doo" nod is a valid reasoning too... this IS supposed to be 70's nostalgic after all.

Riddles and jokes? Yeah, in theory they go together, as far as concepts, but as far as villain two-packing...especially vintage toy-packing... Joker/Penguin is where it's at.

First wave of Super Powers baddies, anyone? (Lex, Brainiac, Joker, Penguin)

[huedell]

Hue,

I totally see your POV and understand.

IMPO, I think the pace is very spot on in this day age compared to 30 years ago. Take into account the time it takes from concept all the way through post-production. And I take into account the funding issue as well without trying to go into debt and running on extensive credit.

I, too, was weary of the delivery and still on fence albeit leaning to FTC's side and after showing my geek-core co-workers the news, seems FTC has picked up some new clients and these are early 20-something folk have FTC on their radar and are looking forward these figures even though they've never collected or played with Megos.

Sounds promising!

I'm optimistic they will deliver and certainly looking forward to getting me mitts on the '66 crew.

Right now Mattel is filling THAT bill with me. HOWEVER, *if* FTC can release two other '66 characters than Egghead that are offbeat the dynamic duo, Babs and the big 4 villains...that's RELEASE not PROMOTE.... then I'm in for at LEAST all three of those. And, BTW, in the '66 line, I'd LOVE to have an Alfred be one of those other early releases. (I woulda loved to have had him as an early WGSH release if there would been 1 or 2 more new characters released alongside him... have I said that enough yet?).

Even WITH the Mattel '66 action figures being available... I still could see myself pulling the trigger on the ones that are out soon... ultimately ALL the '66ers are "new". It'll be hard not pulling the trigger.

BTW, how's the band?

Same core mebers, different permutation. Releasing a documentary on our "scene" that'll include a couple of the bands I'm in, plus about forty others. Looking forward to sharing it! Thanks for asking, and hope all is well with you

[PNGwynne]

You don't need to take my post seriously--but please don't spin them, either.

I am "not sold that FTC is doing this kind of release pattern." I was suggesting a possible release pattern, and comparing said to vintage & modern 1/9 releases.

Contrastingly, you were advocating a much more frequent series of releases, to get the figures you want.

Regarding quality: FTC/CTVT's quality has been discussed here in great detail. I understand your reservations, I have them, too. It's worth noting, however, that they have generally surprised people here with these newer releases and they are undeniably of improved quality from earlier releases.

Regarding reusing tooling: This was characteristic of vintage Mego, as well as GI Joe & Big Jim. FTC did not suddenly invent it as a sign of their cheapness or opportunism. How many heroes did Mego release in standard hero boots who should have had jackboots or buccaneer boots instead?--and they had molds for those!

I understand that you feel very passionately about building your collection & you have certain personal expectations in doing so. But we're all kibitzing here--sometimes you come across (to me) as condescending.

[The Toyroom]

Joker, Penguin, Riddler and Catwoman all worked together in the '66 movie.

They've worked together several times in part of larger groups in the comics, Detective 527 immediately comes to mind.

I'm talking one on one...not as part of a larger conglomerate of Bat-Foes...

[VinMan]

You can't take MY posts seriously enyawd72????

No need to get that aggressive.... but, I'll play along... in good fun, of course:

Me? I can't take the above posts seriously. All three of you are sold on the idea that FTC is doing this kind of release pattern (that includes timing and reuse of old molds, old clothes etc) for some kind of "quality control"?

I don't buy that for a second.

Quality control... hmmmm... FTC has a pattern of behavior that includes poor quality figure-making for YEARS that apparently they've FINALLY solved... great.

But they also have a pattern of behavior of re-use, re-packaging and otherwise moving slow: a lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak.

Hey---I'll stay positive guys... that's cool... but I'm not going to make things up as truths, when they just aren't truths.

Come on

Love to be grouped with these guys. PNGwynne? enaywd?? 2 of my favorites.... I am in good company here!!!

[PNGwynne]

I'm talking one on one...not as part of a larger conglomerate of Bat-Foes...

I recall in Byrne's Batman 3-D, the Joker actually tried to kill Nigma for being derivative.

Written properly, I think the two are unique--but the Joker doesn't lol.

[huedell]

Love to be grouped with these guys. PNGwynne? enaywd?? 2 of my favorites.... I am in good company here!!!

Well, that settles that, I guess. If I say 'I want to be included too." you can take that as sincerity... I'd prefer not be pitchfork vilified (as opposed to "healthy kibitzing")... and apologizes if I've made myself open to being treated like that. As I've tried to say repeatedly---it's "all in good fun here". (Especially when I have nothing to buy from FTC at the moment... at least I can debate about 'em!)

And, my horrid manners aside, it still doesn't negate that we disagree on FTC's concerns about "quality", which I think are a far second to them "maximizing their stock" (a SPLENDID "business" attitude, but not at the expense of overall integrity). T-bolt mentioned earlier about about such staggered releases being helpful to wallets... having all the current WGSHs being based on old Mego molds, or re-packaging of the same figures... or amalgams of those parts in order to milk this line notably theoretically (especially in the case of these 2-packs) isn't helping wallets, I'm thinking.

You don't need to take my post seriously--but please don't spin them, either.

I am "not sold that FTC is doing this kind of release pattern." I was suggesting a possible release pattern, and comparing said to vintage & modern 1/9 releases.

Contrastingly, you were advocating a much more frequent series of releases, to get the figures you want.

Regarding quality: FTC/CTVT's quality has been discussed here in great detail. I understand your reservations, I have them, too. It's worth noting, however, that they have generally surprised people here with these newer releases and they are undeniably of improved quality from earlier releases.

Regarding reusing tooling: This was characteristic of vintage Mego, as well as GI Joe & Big Jim. FTC did not suddenly invent it as a sign of their cheapness or opportunism. How many heroes did Mego release in standard hero boots who should have had jackboots or buccaneer boots instead?--and they had molds for those!

I understand that you feel very passionately about building your collection & you have certain personal expectations in doing so. But we're all kibitzing here--sometimes you come across (to me) as condescending.

I hear ya on all counts!

All respect to your theories... and our mutual interest in this line!

Buuuut... I'm editing to add that the way vintage lines utilized retooling/re-use is TOTALLY different than what I'm referring to here.

Do I really need to explain this? It's 2014 and FTC is doing exactly what Mego did back then, and THEN some as far as these things.

If ONLY FTC were only re-using their own bodies, and if only every new FTC WGSH release was an "Alfred" (i.e. new character).

[huedell]

I recall in Byrne's Batman 3-D, the Joker actually tried to kill Nigma for being derivative.

Written properly, I think the two are unique--but the Joker doesn't lol.

Oh YES!

What I wouldn't do to see a "RIDDLER VS. JOKER" mini-series.... where this topic was explored at greater length than done before.

For a solid writer, it should be EASY to characterize the two in VERY unique ways.

[enyawd72]

You can't take MY posts seriously enyawd72????

No need to get that aggressive.... but, I'll play along... in good fun, of course:

Me? I can't take the above posts seriously. All three of you are sold on the idea that FTC is doing this kind of release pattern (that includes timing and reuse of old molds, old clothes etc) for some kind of "quality control"?

I don't buy that for a second.

Quality control... hmmmm... FTC has a pattern of behavior that includes poor quality figure-making for YEARS that apparently they've FINALLY solved... great.

But they also have a pattern of behavior of re-use, re-packaging and otherwise moving slow: a lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak.

Hey---I'll stay positive guys... that's cool... but I'm not going to make things up as truths, when they just aren't truths.

Come on

Dude, I'm not trying to be a jerk here but come on...what kind of "release pattern" would please you? Because that's all this is about. YOU not getting the exact figures YOU want when YOU want them.

The releases so far have done nothing for you? Well, that's not FTC's fault. They've been plenty good enough for me and a lot of other people who didn't already have the Bat-Family as original Megos. Hell, Batman isn't my favorite either...DC isn't even my favorite. I'd rather see Marvel Megos altogether but you don't hear me complaining about it, because I'm thankful for what we ARE getting, and FTC has stated again and again the rest of the DCU is coming, so have a little patience man!

Better yet, spread some love...the Bat Megos don't make you happy? Why not just be happy for your fellow Mego friends who DO want them...share in their joy!

[PNGwynne]

No worries. I think what it comes down to for you is not release rates, but character selection---because they've only done reissues so far.

I can understand your anxiety that the line will fold before you see characters you want. We all feel that way to a certain extant.

Luckily, you have that vast collection of cool Bronze-Age customs to console you . I'm jealous.

[PNGwynne]

I'm buying the reissues for displayablity & playability, & customs!. Keeps my vintage ones nicer. But I'm looking forward to new characters,

[huedell]

Dude, I'm not trying to be a jerk here but come on...what kind of "release pattern" would please you? Because that's all this is about. YOU not getting the exact figures YOU want when YOU want them.

The releases so far have done nothing for you? Well, that's not FTC's fault. They've been plenty good enough for me and a lot of other people who didn't already have the Bat-Family as original Megos. Hell, Batman isn't my favorite either...DC isn't even my favorite. I'd rather see Marvel Megos altogether but you don't hear me complaining about it, because I'm thankful for what we ARE getting, and FTC has stated again and again the rest of the DCU is coming, so have a little patience man!

Better yet, spread some love...the Bat Megos don't make you happy? Why not just be happy for your fellow Mego friends who DO want them...share in their joy!

I tried

THEN I saw the 2-packs, and I just couldn't keep my big mouth shut.

I was like... cool! I'll buy them in twos... that'll dull the sting of the whole scenario a bit... but I couldn't DO that, because it's more expensive to buy them in 2s than as singles.

I get the whole "limited release" reasoning, but that doesn't take away from what I edited in above in my reply post to PNGwynne:

...the way vintage lines utilized retooling/re-use is TOTALLY different than what I'm referring to here.

Do I really need to explain this? It's 2014 and FTC is doing exactly what Mego did back then, and THEN some as far as these things.

If ONLY FTC were only re-using their own bodies, and if only every new FTC WGSH release was an "Alfred" (i.e. new character).

It's typical of FTC's sizzle over steak mentality, and I'm a bit frustrated.

That said, you're right---I should be happy for you guys... and probably happy enough not to beat this dead Bat-horse here. So, again, apologies.

No worries. I think what it comes down to for you is not release rates, but character selection---because they've only done reissues so far.

I can understand your anxiety that the line will fold before you see characters you want. We all feel that way to a certain extant.

I'd suspect so! We're all cut from the same cloth in that regard, I'm assuming

It's just that we all manifest that in different ways

Luckily, you have that vast collection of cool Bronze-Age customs to console you . I'm jealous.

I sold some key DCU customs a while back... but kept a lot too.

It's been hard to decide how to separate the wheat from the chaff, but I think I'm doing a pretty good job.

I still have ALL my Marvels, and about 60 percent (if not more) of my DCs.

I have my reasons for selling the ones I did... but (again) it's hard to verbalize... ultimately, a big part of it was that the DCUC stuff was just too satisfying not to have them become my "premier DC Bronze Age" display vessel.