Were Daleks Nazi's

[monkey tennis]

In GENESIS OF THE DALEKS there seems to be a big hint
that Daleks were desendants of Nazi's.
Was Hitler an Ancestor ?

Tom Baker is great in this episode...I haven't finished watching them all yet.
Tom Baker "Can we have some Tea ?"

[Bo8a_Fett]

Terry Nation based the Kaleds on the nazis especially Nyder who is especially nasty and shares traits with gestapo stereotypes.

[monkey tennis]

There wasn't any story about Nazi's travelling to Scaro then ?

[Bo8a_Fett]

Nope...do you remember the kitkat advert where the daleks joined the hari christna's and followed them shouting "peace and love"...lol

[monkey tennis]

Kit Kat Commercial - Peace and Love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XznuoDdv-IM
youtube Kit Kat

[Bo8a_Fett]

Excellent....well found sir....now find the Star Wars tunes ad...or the energisor Darth Vader ad

[monkey tennis]

YouTube - Star Wars Tunes Advert
youtube tunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coIMe4u7fGg
youtube Energizer Bunny

[Mikey]

Were Daleks Nazi's ?

Daleks were too cool

Not even close to being nasties

[palitoy]

That's one of the things I didn't like about Genesis, Nation retconned the whole origin. I know that purists try to explain how it doesn't conflict with the first story but honestly, it does. People shouldn't give RTD so much grief considering.

Everything from the Kaled outfits to their mannerisms suggests the SS.

[Bo8a_Fett]

Actually Nation always intended for the Daleks to be associated with the nazis...as he grew up in WWII he was constantly bombed during the blitz and wanted to create an enemy that was faceless like the luftwaffe and the nazis. It was only when telly had "grown up" enough that he pushed his parallell further to truely encapsulate the nazi like characteristics in "Genesis".

[drwhofan74]

Actually Nation always intended for the Daleks to be associated with the nazis...as he grew up in WWII he was constantly bombed during the blitz and wanted to create an enemy that was faceless like the luftwaffe and the nazis. It was only when telly had "grown up" enough that he pushed his parallell further to truely encapsulate the nazi like characteristics in "Genesis".

He also created the Daleks at a time when the Cold War was in full swing, so the faceless beings who did not think for themselves indicate both Nazi and the building Communist threat of the 60's.

[ctc]

>That's one of the things I didn't like about Genesis, Nation retconned the whole origin. I know that purists try to explain how it doesn't conflict with the first story but honestly, it does.

I didn't find the changes really egregious. Daleks are a pretty simple concept; and it's possible that the events from the first episode develop from the ones portrayed in Genesis. With a little tweaking. (Except that Dalek technology is more advanced in Genesis than the original story that takes place later.) I think it helps that you don't see much of Skaro in between the two.

'Course; when you've got time travel it's easy to explain differences. Or not. Or maybe. (Have you seen "Blink" yet?)

>Everything from the Kaled outfits to their mannerisms suggests the SS.

I think almost every sci-fi show has space Nazis in it somewhere. Especially given the time, they're a pretty potent symbol of opression and "evil."

Don C.

[drwhofan74]

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I think almost every sci-fi show has space Nazis in it somewhere. Especially given the time, they're a pretty potent symbol of opression and "evil."

Good point. The Empire in Star Wars...

[Bo8a_Fett]

There is some suggestion that "The Daleks"/"The Survivors"/"The Mutants" (however you wanna call the first..in the show..appearance of the daleks), is chronologically the final Dalek story showing the final end of the Daleks...the Empire receded back to Skaro and the Daleks themselves restricted to their city.

[Bo8a_Fett]

From an Interview with Nation:
"Citing a childhood spent in Wales during World War II, Nation has said that he modeled the impersonal and unstoppable Daleks after the Nazis, seeing them as embodying "the unhearing, unthinking, blanked-out face of authority that will destroy you because it wants to destroy you."