Boycotting CBS/Paramount's Star Trek Beyond and ongoing productions

[samurainoir]

Also, remember, this isn't the first time Paramount has faced fan-backlash like this, and it seems like they don't learn.

https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Viacom_Crackdown

Back closer to the turn of the century, anyone remember when Paramount went after fan-sites for copyright violation? In a similar fashion, Lucasfilm saw that backlash as well and sought to extend the olive branch the fans rather than bring down the hammer. Doesn't mean Paramount was wrong... they have every right to legally enforce their copyrights, and should in the case of Axanar. If I am remembering correctly, at the time back in day, Lucasfilm gave fans the means to content that would fit under their copyright umbrella.

[SKotK]

Since you asked, my hand is raised.

Holy impeccable record, Batman! Consider me stoned.

Wait, I didn't mean it quite like that.

But...have you ever cut the tag off a mattress? Recorded a song on a cassette tape? Driven over 55 in a 55 zone? Xeroxed pages from a book? Parked too long on a meter?

--SKot

[samurainoir]

Also, remember, this isn't the first time Paramount has faced fan-backlash like this, and it seems like they don't learn.

https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Viacom_Crackdown

Back closer to the turn of the century, anyone remember when Paramount went after fan-sites for copyright violation? In a similar fashion, Lucasfilm saw that backlash as well and sought to extend the olive branch the fans rather than bring down the hammer. Doesn't mean Paramount was wrong... they have every right to legally enforce their copyrights, and should in the case of Axanar. If I am remembering correctly, at the time back in day, Lucasfilm gave fans the means to content that would fit under their copyright umbrella.

some interesting reading here:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=O2KsAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA193&lpg=PA193&dq=viacom+goes+after+star+trek+fan+sites+1990s&source=bl&ots=6trNXzQ6AP&sig=bPqk56xd2_IVg0W6PB9s3Sh8CCI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiTxMTHqJDQAhULyoMKHdqtBu8Q6AEIQjAH#v=onepage&q=viacom%20goes%20after%20star%20trek%20fan%20sites%201990s&f=false

[palitoy]

But something like Star Trek Continues? That should be left alone. They are doing good work and promoting the IP in a fantastic way, for free. The same with other similar fan productions. But instead, CBS/Paramount felt they had to create restrictions that they knew would by definition destroy those productions. And that, again, sucks.

Yeah except because Anazar or whatever crossed the line, now they panic and have to set up boundaries. Can't do it buffet style or another production could try and do it and they have a legal precedent because Paramount turned a blind eye in the past. It has to be sweeping.

[SKotK]

Also, remember, this isn't the first time Paramount has faced fan-backlash like this, and it seems like they don't learn.

https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Viacom_Crackdown

Back closer to the turn of the century, anyone remember when Paramount went after fan-sites for copyright violation? In a similar fashion, Lucasfilm saw that backlash as well and sought to extend the olive branch the fans rather than bring down the hammer. Doesn't mean Paramount was wrong... they have every right to legally enforce their copyrights, and should in the case of Axanar. If I am remembering correctly, at the time back in day, Lucasfilm gave fans the means to content that would fit under their copyright umbrella.

Yes, I remember this well and I very nearly mentioned it here (and I think I did elsewhere on the forum). Star Trek websites got whacked with cease-and-desists all over the place back then, and it was ugly. Lucasfilm, thank goodness, took a smarter approach (after some initial missteps themselves) and embraced fan sites who weren't trying to turn a profit from their property. I was one (or two, or three) of those fan sites, and I was very grateful for their decision. And Star Wars fandom flourished online because of it.

It seems that Paramount hasn't learned from this, and will probably never learn...unfortunately. Go ahead - kick the fans in the teeth again. They like it.

--SKot

[PNGwynne]

Holy impeccable record, Batman! Consider me stoned.

Wait, I didn't mean it quite like that.

But...have you ever cut the tag off a mattress? Recorded a song on a cassette tape? Driven over 55 in a 55 zone? Xeroxed pages from a book? Parked too long on a meter?

--SKot

I'm not here to stone anyone. I'm no prude, Pollyanna, or paragon of virtue. I don't know you personally or dislike you. I just don't agree with what you did or your justification for it.

[SKotK]

I'm not here to stone anyone. I'm no prude, Pollyanna, or paragon of virtue. I don't know you personally or dislike you. I just don't agree with what you did or your justification for it.

Fair enough. In many ways, it was an experiment for me. I'd honestly never done anything like that before, and I wanted to see how it would go: whether or not I could follow through with it, how many people would agree/disagree with me, and what the reaction would be. It was...interesting. Much like poking a hornet's nest is interesting. Will you forgive me my sins once I buy the movie on Blu-ray next year? (as I'm certain I will - it's too good not to own!)

On a not-related but similar topic, I've never walked out of a movie. Although I would have walked out of the second Transformers movie if I hadn't been there with a couple of friends who wanted to see it...if I'd been there alone, I would have been gone before the film was even half over. I did, however, walk away from that franchise and have not looked back.

--SKot