You know what? I like Star Trek Into Darkness more than Star Wars The Force Awakens

[hedrap]

I want to add this as Abrams twisty-revamp writing is finally getting the deserved scrutiny.

My main beef with Into Darkness is nowhere does Spock state that the Abrams-verse would have perpetually different series of events. Things are different, but not so different as Kirk still meets his same crew and commands the Enterprise. So I think the original idea was to follow TOS chronology with a twist, making "Where No Man Has Gone Before" their first story. But Par wanted Khan for marketing, so Abrams tried to blend the two and created a total cluster that couldn't be promoted.

Even the title "Into Darkness" can be taken as a direct inference to the edge of the galaxy, where the storm cloud that changes Mitchell and Sally Kellerman's character, resides. Then you have how Cumberbatch and Alice Eve have more similar traits to Lockwood and Kellerman than Montalban or the original Marcus from WOK. Add how wedged the Khan material feels and you got a compromised movie. Into Darkness would have been recieved greatly if he was Mitchell as TOS fans would compare/contrast the ideas, creating an elseworlds based on TOS episodes.

...and all that reminds me a lot of TFA. Extended-verse characters merged with Orignal Trilogy ideas gives the audience hints and suggestions at what's coming based on their knowledge. It can work, but not when it replicates exact beats, coughdeathstarcough.

Crazy as it sounds, this is what Toho has been doing with Godzilla since the 90's. Part remake/part sequel. Never expected Hollywood studios to follow their lead.

[Bionicfanboy66]

I like ST 2009, Into Darkness, and SW TFA because of the practical effects. More realistic than CGI, IMO. They're just fun, entertaining movies which don't take themselves too seriously. I prefer my Sci-fi/fantasy to be fun.

[Nostalgiabuff]

while I agree that TFA does reuse ideas and plot points from A New Hope, it also moves the story forward. a soft reboot as some have said. I see nothing wrong with it and I enjoy the movie for what it is, not what it isn't. hopefully they are more original in the next one but even if they aren't, it won't stop me from seeing it multiple times

[Sideshow Spock]

I saw TFA again during Xmas with family, which included some folks in their late 40s and early 50s.. people that SW had a big impact on when it was first released. They were concerned about seeing it cuz they had never seen the prequels, or saw them but didn't really like or remember. I assured them no prequel knowledge was necessary..

When we all got together in the lobby when the film let out, they all were glowing and delighted. It took them right back to the original Star Wars.

The Force was with them.. again.

[kept back]

I still haven't seen Force Awakens(I don't get my panties bunched over spoilers. It's context over content for me), but Into Darkness lost me as soon as Sherlock said "my name is Khan."
Not Khan Noonien Singh or an explanation of who he was, just "here's my name for shock value." I found it incredibly annoying, especially after all the denial during marketing that Dr Strange was Khan. Then, we get to "Rage Spock," which also annoyed me but not nearly as much as Smaug's magic blood. It just really felt like it was written by a jumior high literature class.

[MIB41]

I want to add this as Abrams twisty-revamp writing is finally getting the deserved scrutiny.

My main beef with Into Darkness is nowhere does Spock state that the Abrams-verse would have perpetually different series of events. Things are different, but not so different as Kirk still meets his same crew and commands the Enterprise. So I think the original idea was to follow TOS chronology with a twist, making "Where No Man Has Gone Before" their first story. But Par wanted Khan for marketing, so Abrams tried to blend the two and created a total cluster that couldn't be promoted.

Even the title "Into Darkness" can be taken as a direct inference to the edge of the galaxy, where the storm cloud that changes Mitchell and Sally Kellerman's character, resides. Then you have how Cumberbatch and Alice Eve have more similar traits to Lockwood and Kellerman than Montalban or the original Marcus from WOK. Add how wedged the Khan material feels and you got a compromised movie. Into Darkness would have been recieved greatly if he was Mitchell as TOS fans would compare/contrast the ideas, creating an elseworlds based on TOS episodes.

...and all that reminds me a lot of TFA. Extended-verse characters merged with Orignal Trilogy ideas gives the audience hints and suggestions at what's coming based on their knowledge. It can work, but not when it replicates exact beats, coughdeathstarcough.

Crazy as it sounds, this is what Toho has been doing with Godzilla since the 90's. Part remake/part sequel. Never expected Hollywood studios to follow their lead.

Well said. I think Into the Darkness and TFA exhibit allot of similarities in borrowing heavily from the franchise. Although I do think Abrams jumped the shark with TFA by clinging too closely to the original. That being said, I do like the characters in the rebooted Trek universe. I just think it's time to craft new stories with them. For all the mythology that exists in the Trek universe, it strikes me as amazing that writers can't get past a handful of movies and a few episodes from the series. There is so much quality material to harvest from novels, it's virtually unlimited.

[Hedji]

Serious question here... Does Starfleet have the ability now to utilize Khan's blood to bring back anyone who dies, without suffering any brain damage? I haven't watched it in a while, but I seem to recall McCoy saying he could synthesize more. Couldn't every Red Shirt just carry a little vial of Khan's blood on his belt?

[Mikey]

Dr Bashir has Kahn blood

[toys2cool]

I liked both but preferred star wars

[Mikey]

I still need to see Star Wars, but i'm guessing i'll like it better than Trek Darkness.

[Hedji]

Dr Bashir has Kahn blood

Does he? I mean, is he a descendant? I didn't watch DS9 much....

[Klosterheim]

Does he? I mean, is he a descendant? I didn't watch DS9 much....

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It was revealed in a later season that Doctor Bashir had been illegally genetically modified.

Later, he was forced by Miles to play darts from further away to offset his enhanced abilities. ha!,ha!,ha!,ha!,ha!

[Gorn Captain]

If only they had modified him to be more interesting....

[Sideshow Spock]

If only they had modified him to be more interesting....

Hey now, take it easy on "Our Man Bashir", he had his moments. Siddig was no fan of the decision to make Bashir into Data 2.0:

Alexander Siddig was not happy about this sudden development in his character: "I didn't know about it on Tuesday, and on Thursday the script arrived – we started shooting on Friday. I was so shocked. You know you get the impression that maybe the producers sit down and talk about strategies and character arcs with actors but this thing came out of the blue and ****ed me off so royally." Siddig interpreted the change as an attempt to turn his character into Data, a tendency which he fought against by deliberately playing any "Data-esque" lines badly.

[JRT!]

Y'know what?! I liked ST ID better than SW TFA as well. I was a HUGE SW fan for YEARS,but this movie was just......I dunno,meh and yawn? Maybe I need to see it again when the disappointment has settled,lol.

J-R!