You know what? I like Star Trek Into Darkness more than Star Wars The Force Awakens

[Gorn Captain]

While I agree that TFA played it safe, too safe at times (Death Star Number Three), it did give me that warm SW feeling that had been missing for a long time. I personally like quite a bit about the prequels, so I don't have a problem with that trilogy (though I do admit to disliking some choices like flying R2, Jar Jar, etc).
If I had to pick between STID and TFA, I'd definitely go Star Wars.
Into Darkness doesn't feel like ST at all. It actually feels like SW. Too much action, fighting, space battle. It doesn't feel like Trek. Abrams also misjudged the Kirk-Spock dynamics. He played them as being "not friends at all", up until the last moment when suddenly they seemed to have been BFFs for decades. Abrams just took parts of Trek lore, used them, but didn't understand their emotional function in the Trek universe. In TWOK, the goodbye sequence worked because of what had come before, decades of friendship (for the characters and the fans). In Into Darkness, it felt really wrong, disrespectful even. Like someone playacting a real tragic event, and getting it wrong.
I feel ST needs to step away from guns and fights, and get back to basics. Get Nicholas Meyer to consult or direct. He gets it.

As for Force Awakens and Star Wars in general? I like where this is going, it just needs some tweaking. Tone down the humor a bit, get an original McGuffin, let the characters grow. I think this will work. Trek needs a complete 180°...

[Nostalgiabuff]

I liked Into Darkness, but I would not say it is better than Force Awakens. I really liked TFA, I am taking my 4 year old nephew to see it on Thursday. he is soooo excited to be going. that is what it is all about. as far as the prequels, I have always liked them, but they are weak. the dialog is stilted and wooden. the so called romantic scenes are just painful to watch. Lucas could really have benefited from some outside writing. Both actors to play Anakin were awful. between that and the extreme overuse of CGI, is what really hurt the movies. but on the other hand, ObiWan was awesome. I think the main villains in the trilogy were all great. Darth Maul, Jango fett, Dooku, Palpatine. I just picked up the steel book editions of the whole series on bluray and rewatched the prequels for the first time in several years and I found that I do still enjoy them. I think another major misstep was starting with Anakin as a boy. they then had to rush his rise to greatness and his downfall. you never really get to like the character as a person and all of a sudden he is murdering little kids. far to rushed in my opinion. the little revenge scene against the sand people was really the only time we saw his dark side until he cuts off Mace Windu's hand, and even that was just done to defend Palpatine

[Gorn Captain]

What I loved about TFA is its return to a smaller scale. No swarms of a thousand TIE fighters, no, the Falcon gets chased by just a couple of them. That makes it more real. It think Trek needs to do the same thing. Scale it down, slow it down. If you don't get a chance to "digest" what you see on the screen, because it's too much and too fast, it doesn't impress anymore.

[rykerw1701]

I like both films, but got into a heated discussion with a buddy about how both films lacked originality. Both are derivative of the source inspiration, but Into Darkness took it too far. I hated the Khan yell, and was disappointed that he was even the villain when there is a whole universe to explore. And yeah, blowing up the Death Star for the third time left me flat. Strangely so did Han Solo dying, and he's among the most beloved characters in Geekdom.

I'm a Trek lover first and foremost, and more of a Star Wars aficionado. But the Force Awakes was the better movie, and so much better for kids. My eight year old loved every second of it.

[Sideshow Spock]

Speaking of the prequels, I always go back to Plinkett's famously scathing and hilarious reviews of them.. and I'm happy to see that with TFA, we have a couple firmly established protaaagonissts

Warning: NSFW naughty words

[TrekStar]

I've said this before, but I think SW movies are more for kids and young teens than adults,
SW movies have great special effects and of course there merchandise sells well, again aimed
towards kids, but I do understand adult collectors like it too.

SW merchandise outsells ST merchandise hands down, but I personally since early childhood
enjoyed Trek but when Wars came out, I was into it and collected the figures, but now as an adult
my interest in SW is minimal but my interest in Trek has increased and I hope with the 50th anniversary
coming up will see some cool merchandise and I'm looking forward to the new ST movie coming out.

[Hector]

Speaking of the prequels, I always go back to Plinkett's famously scathing and hilarious reviews of them.. and I'm happy to see that with TFA, we have a couple firmly established protaaagonissts

Warning: NSFW naughty words

Yeah, watched that before (the entire thing), hilarious, lol...

[Hector]

I personally don't think he is racist, have never thought that and I haven't seen anyone here claim he is

Thanks for pointing that out. George Lucas is definitely not racist in any shape or form.

"I feel bad for the Asian Americans in the audience when they heard the Neimoidians speak. That had to really sting."

Just reporting what I saw and witnessed with my own eyes. I'm not Asian, who am I to dispute how they felt...

[Hector]

While I agree that TFA played it safe, too safe at times (Death Star Number Three), it did give me that warm SW feeling that had been missing for a long time. I personally like quite a bit about the prequels, so I don't have a problem with that trilogy (though I do admit to disliking some choices like flying R2, Jar Jar, etc).
If I had to pick between STID and TFA, I'd definitely go Star Wars.
Into Darkness doesn't feel like ST at all. It actually feels like SW. Too much action, fighting, space battle. It doesn't feel like Trek. Abrams also misjudged the Kirk-Spock dynamics. He played them as being "not friends at all", up until the last moment when suddenly they seemed to have been BFFs for decades. Abrams just took parts of Trek lore, used them, but didn't understand their emotional function in the Trek universe. In TWOK, the goodbye sequence worked because of what had come before, decades of friendship (for the characters and the fans). In Into Darkness, it felt really wrong, disrespectful even. Like someone playacting a real tragic event, and getting it wrong.
I feel ST needs to step away from guns and fights, and get back to basics. Get Nicholas Meyer to consult or direct. He gets it.

As for Force Awakens and Star Wars in general? I like where this is going, it just needs some tweaking. Tone down the humor a bit, get an original McGuffin, let the characters grow. I think this will work. Trek needs a complete 180°...

I have to admit, I didn't like Federation vs Federation in Into Darkness. Hard to believe that gigantic military Vengeance starship was built in such secrecy within the Federation.

But, it was just plain fun to me, ha...

[Klosterheim]

After reading these posts, I now wonder if R2D2 will have his rocket boosters recharged in Episode VIII. Perhaps R2 just knew not to follow Luke into deeper parts of Cloud City.

The thing about The Phantom Menace, I would have preferred the Jedi finding boy Anakin in the first twenty minutes, then at the 30 minute mark of the film, it skips ahead in time and goes Coruscant 12 Years later. Adult Anakin in the first movie. Obi-wan takes him on an exciting mission, unrelated to Sith or Republic downfall, then near the end of movie one, we hear about rumors of mass cloning and whispers of a galactic war.

I don't dispute the fact that some like Into Darkness better than The Force Awakens.

I like TFA better.

Spoilers:


Side nitpick for Star Trek Into Darkness Spoiler:

The new Klingon Bat'leth seems like one of those less practical movie weapons.
If blades curve into the wielder, the user can be hurt more than the attacker. By accidental movement or by having the opponent push the back blades into the defender.

Also, TFA had more right to copy the previous movies than Star Trek Into Darkness.

Plus, I often say that I feel Star Trek should always correct it's timelines and alternate universes. TOS used to always make things right, even if someone needs to die for it in the story.

TFA has 2 more films to explain things, elaborate and fill in tiny details.


Thanks.

[Hector]

Spoilers.....


The main thing I didn't buy in STID is that Khan took on all those Klingons by himself...ships, weapons, and a Patridge on a Pear Tree...he was like Superman and Batman all rolled into one...come on now...and it was little skinny Uhura taking him out at the end...Spock just finished mopping up the mess, lol...

[Hedji]

Magic Blood.

[Hector]

I'm beginning to like Force Awakens more now...

[drquest]

I really liked the 2009 Star Trek. Into Darkness kind of lost me due to the massively unrealistic fight scenes(the stuff at the end on Earth jumping around was annoying), and random stuff shoveled at the screen with no set up at all. Why was McCoy randomly testing Khan blood on dead tribbles? Where did the dead tribbles come from? Wouldn't all of the dead/frozen Khan people also have the magic blood? Let's bring back a lot of dead people! Why did the Khan character even have to be Khan? It didn't have to be Khan couldn't have been any character really, and I understand he was super smart, but how did he just happen to know how to build better ships than the Federation does when he was frozen for 200-300 years?

I wished JJ had moved the new Star Wars movie farther than he did, but I understand why he and Disney didn't do it. Star Trek on the other hand, needs moved, and Into Darkness just didn't do it as much as the 2009 movie did. I hope the new Star Trek is allowed to stretch its legs more, but the trailer just looked too busy... Much to much jumping and landing on stuff etc....

[Gorn Captain]

I'm beginning to like Force Awakens more now...

"You WILL like Force Awakens, Hector..."
"Yes, I WILL like Force Awakens...."

It's the old Jedi mind trick!