Star Wars: The TV series?

[LadyZod]

Upon first hearing "the Other" line, I automatically assume they were talking about Han.

Look at the evidence...

Han in ANH made a big deal about not believing in the force, only to do an about face before the end of the movie.

His rivalry with Luke over Leia's affections.

His ease at using a lightsaber at the beginning of Empire to slice open the tauntaun.

He pulls out his blaster and manages to unload on Vader... king of dark force mojo!

Heck, one of the early drafts of The Star Wars (Adventures of The Starkiller: Episode I The Star Wars (Second Draft, 1975)) featured Luke Starkiller and his brother, Deak Starkiller.

As a kid, I assumed "the Other" was his brother Deak, saved from obscurity... soon to be revealed as a pilot going under the alias "Han Solo."

Made sense at the time.

[ctc]

>And it's not even a bad thing that he's a liar... but he's such a BAD liar.

I don't think he's a liar. The creative process is a funny thing; especially if you're developing something over a long period of time. Ideas come, ideas go.... you see things that inspire you, or someone comes out with something real similar to your unrevealed work so you gotta change it.... or maybe a better idea comes along.... I think at any given time what he was saying about the story WAS true, but it changed as he went along.

Don C.

[huedell]

That: "There is another" line, does not prove intent of the Skywalker sibling situation.

First of all, he doesn't say there is another Skywalker. That's not even implied.

Obi Wan says "That boy is our last hope."

Yoda replies "No. There is another."

There is another HOPE...

According to a Lucas interview in Bantha Tracks, during ESB, "the Other" is implied to be male character from Star Wars 3 who was set to return for the final trilogy.

Beyond "the Other" issue, Gary Kurtz once stated that Luke was intended to have a sister, but that it was not Leia. An early version of the ESB script has Luke talking to the force ghost of his father, Anakin (who was not decided to be Vader yet) who told him his sister, on the other side of the galaxy who had already begun her Jedi training.

So the first draft of Empire didn't even have Vader being Anakin... which makes Obi Wan, not a liar.
The mention of a possible sibling for Luke is tested out but kind of forgotten when the idea to make Vader and Anakin the same character.

I would hazard to guess the reaction of the audiences when hearing "I am your father" gave Lucas the idea to make Leia and Luke siblings when the scripts for Jedi started up.

Lucas made it up on the go.

And that's fine.

But he's still a lying sack.

His lies are much more believable in those early decisions... there's no Padme/Leia oddness type, or Kenobi aging type issues.

Pretty amusing how he cared less as he went on.

If those early "on the go" storybuilding stories are fact (first time I heard of those specific accounts)... then Lucas sure bluffed me awesome. I still have trouble believing Anakin wasn't Vader... mostly via the "Owen/Beru/Luke" kitchen scene.

[huedell]

>And it's not even a bad thing that he's a liar... but he's such a BAD liar.

I don't think he's a liar. The creative process is a funny thing; especially if you're developing something over a long period of time. Ideas come, ideas go.... you see things that inspire you, or someone comes out with something real similar to your unrevealed work so you gotta change it.... or maybe a better idea comes along.... I think at any given time what he was saying about the story WAS true, but it changed as he went along.

My PERSONAL experience with this "Lucas lying" stuff falls into line with your mindset, and makes what I've been saying true...IF you believe he had those ideas of "Vader as father" and "Leia as sister" early on.

Lucas said he "battled" with the idea of making Vader Luke's father... and, I'd automatically assume that Lucas had similar "creative battles" with himself over the Leia stuff too.

Speaking of believing "Vader as father" early on.... I'm curious how Lady Zod or Werewolf would rationalize Lucas NOT having the "Vader" creative inner battle when Lucas named Vader the Dutch word for "Father" to begin with.

[LadyZod]

Lucas never hid the fact that the name Darth Vader is a word play on Dark Father. However, the original incarnation of the character of Darth Vader was just a regular general in the Empire's army. (The look based on The Lightning from the serial The Fighting Devil Dogs.)

Perhaps he is meant to be the dark father of the Empire's war machine (wehrmacht), since Imperial officers mimic the look of the Nazi SS, and well, you have stormtroopers.

This is idle speculation on my part.

But Lucas was known to use many WWII influences in the film when it came to naming stuff: Hermann Hoth was a German general that served on the Eastern front (in the snow); Kessel is a group of encircled forces.

As for the whole Vader/Anakin being two different people, I myself wasn't aware until I read an early draft of ESB myself a while back. I couldn't find it online, but this author speaks in length about this one feature:

http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/sisterthatneverwas.html

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

Here's a bunch of the earlier scripts and ideas:

http://starwarz.com/starkiller/

I kinda get a kick out of Han originally being a fish monster.

Don C.

[LadyZod]

Hmmmm....

Here's a bunch of the earlier scripts and ideas:

http://starwarz.com/starkiller/

I kinda get a kick out of Han originally being a fish monster.

Don C.

YES! I think this is where I read it originally! Thanks Don!

[Scousebadger]

Hmmmm....

Here's a bunch of the earlier scripts and ideas:

http://starwarz.com/starkiller/

I kinda get a kick out of Han originally being a fish monster.

Don C.

Would have made the romance with Leia more interesting.

[Werewolf]

Heck, one of the early drafts of The Star Wars (Adventures of The Starkiller: Episode I The Star Wars (Second Draft, 1975)) featured Luke Starkiller and his brother, Deak Starkiller.

What I found interesting in the Star Killer drafts was that Lucas at one time thought about making Luke female and Obi Wan and Han were mixed into one character. Which can be seen in an early Ralph Mcquarrie Star Wars movie poster concept. Hasbro even made action figures of them.