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  • Mikey
    Verbose Member
    • Aug 9, 2001
    • 47258

    #31
    In the prequels Anakin is basically Corin Nemec (Harold Lauder) from The Stand

    I have no idea why Lucas would make this character the main star

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    • Werewolf
      Inhuman
      • Jul 14, 2003
      • 14978

      #32
      Originally posted by palitoy
      Whole heartily agree! When he falls, you should be in tears. Instead, you're like "duh", he's a creep.
      Totally. You never root for Anakin because he is so darn unlikable. There is no tragedy when he becomes Vader because he was always self absorbed, whiney and cruel. There is nothing to redeem.

      Originally posted by Mikey
      I liked Luke as the star
      And that's why the classic trilogy works even with its flaws. You actually like Luke and want him to succeed.
      You are a bold and courageous person, afraid of nothing. High on a hill top near your home, there stands a dilapidated old mansion. Some say the place is haunted, but you don't believe in such myths. One dark and stormy night, a light appears in the topmost window in the tower of the old house. You decide to investigate... and you never return...

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      • jimsmegos
        Mego Dork
        • Nov 9, 2008
        • 4519

        #33
        I've always felt that Lucas went with the unlikeable Anakin on purpose. IMO I think he figures that a true tragic fall would have been too much for a children's targeted film.

        At least that's what I've told myself over and over again because i too want to love the prequels but the best spin still leaves me with a mediocre 'like' feeling.

        @NB- Thanks for the heads up, I didn't realize that Sir Alec was that young at the time of the first Star Wars... Still seems odd that he went so white from 30's to 50's...

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        • LonnieFisher
          Eloquent Member
          • Jan 19, 2008
          • 11023

          #34
          Originally posted by Cmonster
          No. James Cameron has never made a crappy movie. Sorry--

          SC
          I think he has...

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          • Hector
            el Hombre de Acero
            • May 19, 2003
            • 31852

            #35
            Originally posted by MIB41
            Well said!
            Give me a hug!

            sigpic

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            • ctc
              Fear the monkeybat!
              • Aug 16, 2001
              • 11183

              #36
              >Wouldn't it be funny though if people in the 30s were like "The Great Dictator is a talky?! Chaplin is raping my childhood!"

              HAW!

              >to me it seems people discus things in extremes more than before. Everything is amazing or horrible - everyone is brilliant or moronic —

              Yeah.... I can see that. It’s also a bit of #6:

              7 Reasons the 21st Century is Making You Miserable | Cracked.com

              >Could be just the amount of stuff out there too now.

              Interesting point. It still seems weird how readily someone will go from rabid fan to nerdly hatemonger though.

              >The future films just have the THREAT of planetary destruction.

              One of the problems with redos/reboots/reimaginings and sequels is that you lose a lot of the collateral effects that made the originals what they were. Post “Commando” it became the thing for movie bad guys to threaten more than do. The original Star Wars came out just after a wave of 70's gritty action films, so folks were accustomed to heavier action.

              Don C.

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              • ctc
                Fear the monkeybat!
                • Aug 16, 2001
                • 11183

                #37
                Hmmmm....

                A couple more related points:

                5 Reasons Star Wars Sequels Would Be Worse Than The Prequels | Cracked.com

                5 Reasons Hollywood Needs to Stop Making Prequels | Cracked.com

                Don C.

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                • Gorn Captain
                  Invincible Ironing Man
                  • Feb 28, 2008
                  • 10549

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Cmonster
                  No. James Cameron has never made a crappy movie. Sorry--

                  SC

                  The Abyss was OK, but with a pretty weak ending. Titanic was nothing special, the story has been done to death, and only the hype made it the hit that it became.
                  Same for Avatar, a story that has been used time and time again, but now with giant Smurfs and so much CG that it became a cartoon.

                  So you're right, he hasn't made a crappy movie. But it's been since 1986 that he made a great movie...

                  Cameron has made two great movies, Terminator and Aliens. 25 years ago...
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                  "When things are at their darkest, it's a brave man that can kick back and party."

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                  • MIB41
                    Eloquent Member
                    • Sep 25, 2005
                    • 15633

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Hector
                    Give me a hug!

                    Last edited by MIB41; Oct 13, '11, 8:44 AM.

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                    • kennermike
                      Permanent Member
                      • Nov 4, 2007
                      • 3367

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Gorn Captain
                      The Abyss was OK, but with a pretty weak ending. Titanic was nothing special, the story has been done to death, and only the hype made it the hit that it became.
                      Same for Avatar, a story that has been used time and time again, but now with giant Smurfs and so much CG that it became a cartoon.

                      So you're right, he hasn't made a crappy movie. But it's been since 1986 that he made a great movie...

                      Cameron has made two great movies, Terminator and Aliens. 25 years ago...
                      I agree

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                      • kennermike
                        Permanent Member
                        • Nov 4, 2007
                        • 3367

                        #41
                        Originally posted by LonnieFisher
                        I think he has...
                        agreed!

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                        • Gorn Captain
                          Invincible Ironing Man
                          • Feb 28, 2008
                          • 10549

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Werewolf
                          Totally. You never root for Anakin because he is so darn unlikable. There is no tragedy when he becomes Vader because he was always self absorbed, whiney and cruel. There is nothing to redeem.


                          Yes, but why did he become that way?
                          Look at the big picture. He has to leave his mother behind, in slavery. The Jedi Order never lets him return, to save his only family. He has to grow up as a monk from the age of...eight? Never to know emotional affection. Never a girlfriend. And the thought that his mother is suffering.
                          I wonder how stable we would grow up in a situation like this?

                          We are quick to judge him and portray him as self-absorbed and difficult. I feel sorry for the guy. I do feel that his turning to the Dark Side was poorly handled by Lucas. A better director would have guided his young actor more skilfully. The way it is shown now, it's basically:
                          Palpatine: "want to go slay some kids?"
                          Anakin: "Yeah, sure."

                          This leap was handled illogically.
                          But I do not share most people's dislike for Anakin.
                          If they had named me Anakin, I would have turned to the Dark Side way faster, btw...
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                          "When things are at their darkest, it's a brave man that can kick back and party."

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                          • Mikey
                            Verbose Member
                            • Aug 9, 2001
                            • 47258

                            #43
                            I also think a skilled producer would have hired a better actor to play Anuskin

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                            • SoMuchFun!
                              Member
                              • Oct 17, 2011
                              • 49

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Gorn Captain
                              The Abyss was OK, but with a pretty weak ending. Titanic was nothing special, the story has been done to death, and only the hype made it the hit that it became.
                              Same for Avatar, a story that has been used time and time again, but now with giant Smurfs and so much CG that it became a cartoon.

                              So you're right, he hasn't made a crappy movie. But it's been since 1986 that he made a great movie...

                              Cameron has made two great movies, Terminator and Aliens. 25 years ago...
                              Agreed. Avatar was made many times before, including an animated version called FernGully.
                              Titanic was pretty overblown, and silly at times.

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                              • ctc
                                Fear the monkeybat!
                                • Aug 16, 2001
                                • 11183

                                #45
                                >I wonder how stable we would grow up in a situation like this?

                                I've seen a lot of movies the last decade where you KNOW what you're SUPPOSED to feel, but don't ACTUALLY feel. I think this is a case of that. The story is sound, but what ended up on the screen didn't have the punch it could have.

                                Don C.

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