Re-watched the Star Wars prequels.

[huedell]

Besides the bad writing, bad acting and bad directing .... The worst thing I couldn't stand was the much too complex plot ...
All this trade federation vs this and that ....
Maybe i'm an idiot, but it was just too hard to follow.
Instead of enjoying the movie I found myself trying too hard to understand what was happening.
To this day i've seen each movie about 3 times (from being played on TV and nothing else was on) ... and I still only understand about half of what was happening.

Tried to figure it out, eh? I never even bothered, so it wasn't a problem
for me. The movies moved along fine for me in that respect.
The original trilogy had stuff like that too...rebels, Jedis, "lord" Vader, the
Emperor's beauracracy... I never bothered hurting my brain
over that stuff either. Admittedly the newer movies TALKED about that stuff
more, which is the reason you were more distracted by it.

The new trilogy is made for grown-up fanboys.
It's why they came out so lousy.

You obviously saw that 7-part reviewer guy's funny and insightful reviews
online, correct?

The reason given by that reviewer guy that the movies may have been percieved as "lousy" regarding "target audience" wouldn't have
been from Lucas making the flicks for grownup fanboys, but moreso
for "everyone" from toddlers, to old fanboys to tween chicks etc. etc. and
I agree with the reviewer w/at least that much.

[Mikey]

Besides the bad writing, bad acting and bad directing .... The worst thing I couldn't stand was the much too complex plot ...
All this trade federation vs this and that ....
Maybe i'm an idiot, but it was just too hard to follow.
Instead of enjoying the movie I found myself trying too hard to understand what was happening.
To this day i've seen each movie about 3 times (from being played on TV and nothing else was on) ... and I still only understand about half of what was happening.

The Classic trilogy was made to mimic 1930's matinee serials -- which were made for kids and relied more on action than plot with larger than life characters.

The new trilogy is made for grown-up fanboys.
It's why they came out so lousy.

[Gorn Captain]

Let's keep it short. I liked 75% of the prequel trilogy.
Phantom Menace: if they had toned down Jar Jar (aka the lack of sense of humour in George Lucas), I though it was a decent start to the saga.
Wish Darth Maul had gone on to fight another day. Same for Qui Gon.

Clones: I liked most of it, except for, yet again, the lame attempt at humour. Lucas reduced 3PO to a blundering idiot.
I hated the R2 flying scenes: when you decide the rules of your universe, stick to them, don't break them afterwards. The whole droid factory scene should have been cut. On the CD, music for that scene was mentioned as a bonus track, so even Lucas must have considered that.
I also would have prefered the Jedi to not be such supermen. If you're going to jump out of a flying speeder, falling hundreds of feet, Jedi or not, you're going SPLAT.
The weakest entry for me.
I liked Sith, and it did have some great moments (like the Opera scene), which I found quite chilling.
Weakest moments: Anakin's turn to the Dark Side:
"Join me, Anakin."
"Oh, well, OK...."
And true: Vader's "Noooooo!!!" sounded a bit silly.

What went wrong: Lucas has no one to correct him anymore. He's God to his Universe, and if he thinks it's funny that 3PO can walk around with no head, that stuff will actually happen. Get that man an editor with cohones.

If Irv Kershner had directed these, think of the possibilities....

[Mikey]

It seems the best films of a franchise are made by people who aren't experts in the franchise ........ A few examples are Superman: The Movie, Flash Gordon 1980 and the new Star Trek movie.

[ctc]

>My only thought after just seeing the title of this thread, was "Why?"

There are some things a person just HAS to do. It 'aint pretty, it 'aint right.... but some dark force drives you. For instance: I've watched the Holiday Special MANY times.... and each time I come a little closer to making that "Death Star Trooper with porn 'stache" custom.

>The problem lies not so much with the films, but the viewer.

I don't ENTIRELY agree, but I know a lot of the new flicks was killed for me 'cos I know how they ultimately turn out.

Don C.

[Werewolf]

He was referring to you re-watching the prequels...not your thread posting.

Ah, okay. I'm a little slow tonight, lol. Yes, well, nevermind.

[huedell]

Why do people post anything on message boards?

I posted this because I just re-watched the movies and was in the mood to rationally and fairly discuss the good and bad points of the movies without the two extreme sides posting the usual Lucas sucks/Lucas can do no wrong nonsense.

He was referring to you re-watching the prequels...not your thread posting.

[Spyweb007]

It would probably only take a few changes to vastly improve each prequal. Recast Anakin a little older in Phantom Menace and you not only take away some of the later "creepy" romance aspects but make the whole pod racing and starfighter battle more believable. I also wouldn't have killed off Darth Maul, he should have been kept as Palpatines aprentice until Episode 3, just replace Dooku with Maul for the entire trilogy.

[VintageMike]

I've always said "Phantom" being bad put a damper of the others. Not only that but they want back too far. Darth Vader as an nine year old? Why?

I thought "Attack of The Clones" had it moments (Ben vs. Jango, Yoda vs, Count Dooku) and "Revenge of The Sith" was actually good.

But again "Phantom" was so bad "Clones" would have had to be off the charts to make people forget about it. It wasn't but it was still enjoyable enough.
I think the whole thing would have better if they did Clones first, Sith second, and then a third movie moved forward with the beginning of the rebellion or set somewhere in the middle.

[Werewolf]

My only thought after just seeing the title of this thread, was "Why?"

SC

Why do people post anything on message boards?

I posted this because I just re-watched the movies and was in the mood to rationally and fairly discuss the good and bad points of the movies without the two extreme sides posting the usual Lucas sucks/Lucas can do no wrong nonsense.

[Cmonster]

My only thought after just seeing the title of this thread, was "Why?"

SC

[toys2cool]

At the end of Jedi, if Vader was soooo bad and caused the deaths of millions of people including slaughtering children, would Obi and Yoda's ghosts be so quick to forgive him even if he supposedly turned good ?

Anakin seems like the kind of person you can't trust whether he's good or bad at a particular moment.
He's a backstabber.

He was only "good" for a short time ... He was bad Luke's entire lifetime

In the real world Obi and Yoda wouldn't forgive him so quickly

true but just think of all the lives he just saved by killing the emperor

[toys2cool]

I think a lot depends how old you are when you seen it.

You were about 14-ish when you seen Phantom in the theatre, D ?

That's almost the same age I was when I seen "Star Wars" for the first time in the theatre.

It's only natural the younger people like the prequals more than us old fogies

I was 18, skipped a day of HS for that but I really liked it, could be cause I'm a huge Neeson fan and because I loved Watto

[fallensaviour]

The way I see it,The prequels will never ever mean the same to us as we were all kids watching the first movies and they blew us away now as adults we see the new films and view them as drivel.Partially because we had to wait 30 plus years for what we got.

On the other hand my son loves the prequels.He watched them when he was five the same age I was when I watched star wars.
That being said he also likes the originals loves them as well.But he never had to wait 30 years to view them either.

I don't mind the prequels but they are extremely flawed in regards to established cannon but what ever.Take them for what they are sci fi popcorn flicks and enjoy...
Meant for kids to enjoy and wonder about space and the stars.
Anymore reading into it than that and you take your movies way to seriously...LOL

[LonnieFisher]

I say Star Wars was a big rip-off of Doctor Who anyway. I was watching some Dr. Who and thought "what a Star Wars rip-off!" and then realized it was from before Star Wars was made. After that I noticed so much he stole. I'm planning on making some neat Dr. Who/Star Wars amalgam figures...