Worst Moments in Science Fiction

[Hector]

I agree with that. Everything in that movie is so purposely fun. Everything works. Yes, even the silly parts. It's fun, exciting, light hearted, doesn't take itself too seriously and is still very respectful and true to the source material.

Everything now has to be so grim and "edgy" and everyone has to be bitter and angry. No one has the guts to break the mold and make something like Flash Gordon anymore.

Exacto mundo...

[Hector]

Jurassic Park 2 had incredible plot holes you could drive a truck through. The big one for me was Julianne Moore's character who gave several long winded speechs about how the dinosaurs had fierce maternal instincts and then a character asks her "what's that on your jacket?" and she just glibly says "Oh some of the baby dinosaur's blood".

Seriously?

Is that the one where the little girl does a gymnastic flip on a bar...and kicks a raptor straight through a window?

Man...that's my number three pick after the before-mentioned Supes IV and Star Trek V scenes...

[Hector]

My number four pick is Battlefield Earth...where the cavemen learn to fly jets in 15 minutes...never mind the planes still having fuel that has not yet evaporated or rusted through the metal in 1000 years...

[Hector]

New Star Wars trilogy: waste of time and money
2001: A Space Odyssey: hate it, hate it, hate it

Agreed on the first one...HIGHLY disagree on the second one.

I love 2001.

[Nostalgiabuff]

man, I don't get all this hatred on Star Wars. Okay Jedi is not the best of the original trilogy but it is still a great movie. I never minded the ewoks. it was symbolic of the fact that even the smallest person can make great change.
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i also like the prequel trilogy, just not as much and I agree Hayden Cristianson is a terrible actor and the diaglog, particularly in the "romantic" scenes was awful. Even Lucas admits that now

[Hector]

man, I don't get all this hatred on Star Wars. Okay Jedi is not the best of the original trilogy but it is still a great movie. I never minded the ewoks. it was symbolic of the fact that even the smallest person can make great change.
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i also like the prequel trilogy, just not as much and I agree Hayden Cristianson is a terrible actor and the diaglog, particularly in the "romantic" scenes was awful. Even Lucas admits that now

To me...the new trilogy is not Star Wars...it's garbage...

I happen to LOVE the original trilogy...that includes ROTJ...when Luke finally defeats Vader...it gave me goosebumps...and more so when Vader redeems himself...and destroys the Emperor....awesome stuff...

[mightyquinn]

I want say anything negative about the original SW trilogy because that's just blasphemy! The new SW trilogy cannot be compared to the originals. I don't think it was bad acting, but terrible scripts. Qui Gon & Darth Maul died off way too damn early and if it weren't for Obi wan, the movie would have sucked in my opinion.

2001 SO- Had long boring scenes, because it was mean't to be visual, at that time nothing had been done like it. Hal was awsome.

[Brazoo]

2001 Is one of my favorite films. I watch it at least once a year, and I'm mesmerized every time I see it.

It's not about the plot - it's about the experience.

[Mikey]

I happen to LOVE the original trilogy...that includes ROTJ...when Luke finally defeats Vader...it gave me goosebumps...and more so when Vader redeems himself...and destroys the Emperor....awesome stuff...

I agree,
When Vadar spazzes out and throws the emperor off the cliff was one of the best scenes of the franchise.
The only big let down was when Luke took off his mask and James Earl Jones was not there.

[UnderdogDJLSW]

The reason I DESPISE Alien 3 is because at the very beginning of the film...we find out that both the little girl (Newt), and the lone Marine (Michael Bien) DIE upon crashing on that prison colony.

WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE MOVE ALIENS THEN???

It makes the previous movie Aliens pointless...I mean...come on...Ripley goes through all that trouble saving the little girl...like in that climatic end...where she challenges and fights the alien queen with that hydraulic human-shaped forklift...and utters the now famous quote..."Get away from her, you ******!"

Alien 3 almost makes Aliens meaningless...it almost ruins that great movie...argh...

I agree 100% on that. I almost walked out on the movie in that first five minutes and then by the end, wish that I had

[johnmiic]

Y'know many people thought David Prowse should have been the face inside the helmet of Darth Vader in that reveal in ROTJ. Somehow Prowse wound up on the wrong side of Lucas's shee-eet-list and they dispensed with him as soon as his scenes were done.

Hayden Christiansen had a tough job ahead of him. He had to play a good-guy, who we liked, that falls into decline and becomes a villain. That I think is tougher than what Mark Hamil had to do which was play a good guy who wanted to get into the game and make things right. To fix the sins of the father. Maybe, at the time it was a bit beyond Christiansen's ability to convey this but also the story in AOTC doesn't seem to show he and Obi-Wan really sharing a sense of camaraderie. The fact that they lack chemistry as partners or student/teacher is pretty obvious. We mostly get a guy we don't like. I think it's mostly the fault of the script in that case.

The guy who wrote Flash Gordon, Lorenzo Semple Jr., has admitted on the DVD that the film was shot off the first draft of his script and he wanted to do another re-write before they filmed it. De Laurentis wouldn't hear of it and rushed it into production. We could have got a much better film than what was released. On the whole it is a good film, a very faithful realization of the comic strip, but it is too campy. Camp is not clever-it is crap. Batman in the 60's was High-Camp. It was dead by 1969. Leave it in the grave. Some dialogue is embarassingly awful. Really great moments are ruined like Dale seeing Flash alive in Vultan's city. Prince Barin's conversion to Flash's friend is over-simplified. The notion that Dale is going to turn acrobatic cartwheels and retrieve her gun and shoot guards effortlessly while escaping breaks all boundaries of believability. The film could have used 2 more re-writes. If it was thought out a little better it could use maybe 20 minutes more added to its story.

[huedell]

Y'know many people thought David Prowse should have been the face inside the helmet of Darth Vader in that reveal in ROTJ. Somehow Prowse wound up on the wrong side of Lucas's shee-eet-list and they dispensed with him as soon as his scenes were done.

What you're saying sounds like Prowse himself, and I always thought Prowse
was delusional. As far as I know Lucas only wanted Prowse for his
physical stature...and that's it.

Where Prowse and these "many people" got the idea that a body filling
a suit should lay claim to the whole character is beyond me.

With that mindset, then I guess C-3PO should have bled when his arm was
blown off, cause Anthony Daniel's arm laid claim to that bit.

[BlackKnight]

Hayden Christiansen had a tough job ahead of him. He had to play a good-guy, who we liked, that falls into decline and becomes a villain. That I think is tougher than what Mark Hamil had to do which was play a good guy who wanted to get into the game and make things right. To fix the sins of the father. Maybe, at the time it was a bit beyond Christiansen's ability to convey this but also the story in AOTC doesn't seem to show he and Obi-Wan really sharing a sense of camaraderie. The fact that they lack chemistry as partners or student/teacher is pretty obvious. We mostly get a guy we don't like. I think it's mostly the fault of the script in that case.

I think thats why I like the New Clone Wars Toon so much, and enjoy watching it. All these points, and many more on character relationships and general characterization are very Much there. You actually see a Relationship between Obi-Wan and Anikan, as well as How much the 2 of them actually did in the clone wars. The Camaraderie and then some is very much there, as well as a Hero, that you do Root for, with the mind frame, that he will become the greatest Villian in the Galaxy. It's good stuff, and well written imo.

[johnmiic]

What you're saying sounds like Prowse himself, and I always thought Prowse was delusional. As far as I know Lucas only wanted Prowse for his physical stature...and that's it.

Where Prowse and these "many people" got the idea that a body filling
a suit should lay claim to the whole character is beyond me.

I would not have objected to Prowse being revealed as Anakin Skywalker in ROTJ. Lucas could have extended that honor to him. Prowse is an actor as well as a stunt-man. He could have done it. It's only a brief appearance. Instead according to an interview with Starlog many years ago, Prowse was let go because they suspected he leaked pages of script to the newspapers. Lucas went another way and added this to the list of complaints about the film.