Lost Season 6

[The Toyroom]

Ooof. Dunno.

Yeah you can almost hear the sound of the ball being dropped here....Insert sound effect.....

[megoscott]

Just like you have questions about Eloise, I have questions about Widmore....

- We know WHY he was exiled (he fathered a child with an off-islander) but how did he get to the island in the first place? Recruited by Richard, on behalf of Jacob? If so, I assume then he was a Jacob acolyte at one point and lost his way in his vendetta against Ben. Supposedly Jacob approached him at the end and he realized the errors of his ways.

And yet we didn't SEE that meeting with Jacob, which makes his story totally suspect.

- Was he unable to find the island again? Is this why he was bidding on the diary of the first mate from the Black Rock? For co-ordinates? Which also begs the question how did the diary get off-island in the first place?

What's weird about that journal auction---the auctioneer says the Black Rock disappeared in 1851 or so (the journal was found a few years alter in Madagascar) and yet Ab Ataerno said it took place in 1867. There's no explanation for this discrepancy.

- Did he intentionally drive Desmond Hume to the island? I wonder if Libby gave her boat to Desmond at the request of Widmore?

Had to be. Like I said, if Eloise knew Desmond was important because it was written in Daniel's journal, then presumably she'd tell CW that....

- What exactly where the rules set up between Ben and Charles and how was Ben able to kill him eventually when originally it was thought they could not harm each other?

Maybe because Jacob was dead by then?

- His funding of Daniel's research...Was he aware of Daniel's final fate because Eloise told him? (I think this might have actually been confirmed in episode)

Yeah--he said to her outside the hospital that he'd sacrificed his son.

- Why again did he place a fake Oceanic plane at the bottom of the ocean, including bodies? To prevent people from looking for the Oceanic 815 survivors? What made him think someone would be able to find the island when he himself apparently couldn't originally?

Ooof. Dunno.

I'm sure there's more....

[The Toyroom]

I think there are/were two types of LOST fans:

1) Those who were really invested in the characters. Not to say they didn't enjoy the island mysteries as well, but the characters were more fascinating and they were able to overlook plot holes and enjoy the finale and it's closure.

2) Those who were more into island mythology. Not to say they didn't really like the characters too, but the Dharma stuff with bunkers and temples and statues were more up their alley. These people were more likely to quit watching somewhere along the 6 seasons and were more likely to feel cheated or disappointed with the ending.

I think I'm more of a Type 2.....I liked the character flashbacks/forwards but as you said, how many Jin/Sun or Kate can you see....or ones that explain someone's tattoos....

But then again, there are other characters who I would watch all-flashback shows if possible, like Jack (except for the aforementioned tattoos), Sawyer, Charlie, Desmond, Hurley, Locke.

I was definitely into the mythology....just ask my wife who quickly tired of my old-loud questions at every turn in every episode I never expected her to have the answers, but I just liked/felt the need to put the questions out there.

[The Toyroom]

From Doc Jensen's column, this feel right to me:

So why was The Island in the Sideways world at the bottom of the ocean in the season premiere?
My Theory: The Sideways world is a manifestation of the castaway soul cluster's collective yearning. They wanted a world where they never crashed on The Island. They wanted a world where The Island had no sway over their lives. Ergo, their purgatory paradise reflects that yearning.

Hey I got one right!

[The Toyroom]

^^ That was frustrating and an opportunity lost.

Just like you have questions about Eloise, I have questions about Widmore....

- We know WHY he was exiled (he fathered a child with an off-islander) but how did he get to the island in the first place? Recruited by Richard, on behalf of Jacob? If so, I assume then he was a Jacob acolyte at one point and lost his way in his vendetta against Ben. Supposedly Jacob approached him at the end and he realized the errors of his ways.

- Was he unable to find the island again? Is this why he was bidding on the diary of the first mate from the Black Rock? For co-ordinates? Which also begs the question how did the diary get off-island in the first place?

- Did he intentionally drive Desmond Hume to the island? I wonder if Libby gave her boat to Desmond at the request of Widmore?

- What exactly where the rules set up between Ben and Charles and how was Ben able to kill him eventually when originally it was thought they could not harm each other?

- His funding of Daniel's research...Was he aware of Daniel's final fate because Eloise told him? (I think this might have actually been confirmed in episode)

- Why again did he place a fake Oceanic plane at the bottom of the ocean, including bodies? To prevent people from looking for the Oceanic 815 survivors? WHat made him think someone would be able to find the island when he himself apparently couldn't originally?

I'm sure there's more....

[megoscott]

What exactly was going on with the island at the bottom of the ocean in the Sideways world? I originally assumed it got there post-Jughead when the "alternate reality" was created but since it turned out it wasn't an alternate reality created by Jughead then what caused the island to sink? Is it because it's purgatory, there was no need for the island anymore, since I guess it served as the source for souls? I'm confused.....

From Doc Jensen's column, this feel right to me:

So why was The Island in the Sideways world at the bottom of the ocean in the season premiere?
My Theory: The Sideways world is a manifestation of the castaway soul cluster's collective yearning. They wanted a world where they never crashed on The Island. They wanted a world where The Island had no sway over their lives. Ergo, their purgatory paradise reflects that yearning.

[megoscott]

Well said, Paul. For myself, I was always interested in the mythology, I was always interested to see what would be revealed and how they would resolve or fail to resolve what they had written. But without the well written, well acted characters I'd never have been able to keep coming back. Weird things happened in the show, but they were really just plot devices to set up dramatic situations to challenge the characters.

[Paul Evans]

I think there are/were two types of LOST fans:

1) Those who were really invested in the characters. Not to say they didn't enjoy the island mysteries as well, but the characters were more fascinating and they were able to overlook plot holes and enjoy the finale and it's closure.

2) Those who were more into island mythology. Not to say they didn't really like the characters too, but the Dharma stuff with bunkers and temples and statues were more up their alley. These people were more likely to quit watching somewhere along the 6 seasons and were more likely to feel cheated or disappointed with the ending.

I don't think there's anything wrong with either type of fan. I think both types are represented here.

I guess I was a Type 2 (plastic joints, LOL) and while I enjoyed the characters, I really felt like the writers were beating a dead horse showing flashes of the same characters time and again. I could only take so many Jin, Sun or Kate flashes before I was pretty dang bored...regardless of how much I loved the show. And while Jack was redeemed at the end, I was screaming for him to be killed for like 4-5 years. I know too many people just like him for me to really cozy up to him and actually enjoy the guy.

But in the end, what's done is done. I enjoyed watching the show for 6 seasons and it had it's ups and downs, great parts and not so great parts. For those of us that were Type 2s, there was really no way out for the writers to satisfy us...they'd written themselves into a corner long ago.

[megoscott]

Former Lost writer's take on the Finale. Lots of good stuff here.

http://designwoop.com/2010/05/lost-f...xplained-well/

[megoscott]

^^ That was frustrating and an opportunity lost.

[The Toyroom]

So yeah, the Widmore/Hawking story felt like it was never properly addressed. I suspect they planned it but it got cut in the time crunch.

Much like Widmore himself was quickly dispatched in the penultimate episode

[megoscott]

Damn good article on the finale, sums up my feelings well: The Last of LOST | Toms MAD Blog!

[megoscott]

I think the "answer" I missed the most was clarification on Eloise Hawking. She was there at the end and I fully expected her to have more of a presence, especially after her first encounter with Desmond when she was obviously aware of what was happening in SW.

I'm still confused about what her encounter with Desmond was about when he went to buy the ring for Penny, how she knew everything that was going to happen like she was some kind of time traveler, what her role was in sending the 316ers back--was she working with or against Widmore, how were she and Ben allied.

I'd guess that because Daniel wrote in his journal "Desmond Hume is my constant" she and Widmore knew Desmond was important, and thus conspired to keep him away from Penny and get him to the Island on the boat race. Widmore was funding Daniel's time travel work, I wonder if Eloise experimented on herself? How was she out of time like that?

So yeah, the Widmore/Hawking story felt like it was never properly addressed. I suspect they planned it but it got cut in the time crunch.

[Nostalgiabuff]

I agree with Scott too. the lack of explanation of some of the mysteries does not bother me. sure it would be cool to understand but that is just human nature. bottom line is, this was one of the best and most thought provoking TV shows ever created and will be talked about for a long time to come.

[samurainoir]

Favourite moments.

Jack and fake-Locke showdown in the rain at the edge of the cliff. Right out of the best samurai movies. That final shot of Jack flying through the air with his fist raised before they cut to commercial.

Sawyer and Kate going all Butch and Sundance off the Cliff.

When Juliette showed up and was revealed to be Jack's ex. It was great that they got her for the finale.

Rose and Bernard telling them they wanted no part of their drama. Content to be living in peace together on the Island.

Locke getting up out of his wheelchair and telling Ben he forgives him.

Jack making Hurley the Guardian of the Island because he takes care of people (vs Jack who saves people).

The final scene when the Dog lies down next to Jack and we get a call-back to the close-up of Jack's one eye that opened the show initially.