Doctor who in the 80's the JNT era

[palitoy]

Adric's death killed the dinosaurs, it's fixed in time.

(trying to unjumble cyber or Dalek history can give you a migrane)

That's why i forgive the little things the new series does, the original series continuity makes no sense at times.

Kinda is really bad and it gets a sequel with snakedance (there's a futre dvd release combo for you)

I didn't hate Snakedance, I just wondered why the Mara needed a sequel.

can't say what version you saw up north back then but when my PBS first got Resurection it was missing sound effects (I know assume this was a mistake from the bbc in sending a WIP '71 edit out instead of the final show) but it became a rally cry for all that was wrong with who at the time amongst my whomanoid chums]

Yeah, I remember the lack of sound FX made it worse but I wasn't liking the story to begin with, it's lower than Kinda for me. I didn't like any Dalek stories after Genesis, save for "Remembrance"

[Mikey]

I didn't like any Dalek stories after Genesis, save for "Remembrance"

I totally agree

[ctc]

Hmmmm....

I felt the later Tom Baker and the Davison runs tried way too hard. They wanted to make a "good" show; but tried doing so by appropriating a lot of technique from other styles of show. Bad because the Doctor always exitsted in it's own universe, and had it's own set of rules. (So.... nobody flinched whan the Doc made a TARDIS detector from two forks and a potato. That's just what he does....)

Davison struck me as an attempt to make a "serious" Doctor. And a lot of his run seems forced. Having watched it recently, they had tons of great ideas but handled them poorly. Subplots ran on and on (JUST KILL TURLOUGH ALREADY!!!!) archetypes were too "central casting" and had no life of their own, (JUST KILL ADRIC ALREADY!) and a lot of scenes degenerated into flat, expository dialogue.

Don C.

[jds1911a1]

Hmmmm....

I felt the later Tom Baker and the Davison runs tried way too hard. They wanted to make a "good" show; but tried doing so by appropriating a lot of technique from other styles of show. Bad because the Doctor always exitsted in it's own universe, and had it's own set of rules. (So.... nobody flinched whan the Doc made a TARDIS detector from two forks and a potato. That's just what he does....)

Davison struck me as an attempt to make a "serious" Doctor. And a lot of his run seems forced. Having watched it recently, they had tons of great ideas but handled them poorly. Subplots ran on and on (JUST KILL TURLOUGH ALREADY!!!!) archetypes were too "central casting" and had no life of their own, (JUST KILL ADRIC ALREADY!) and a lot of scenes degenerated into flat, expository dialogue.

Don C.

Those are all the fingerprints of Jon Nathan-Turner (and if you notice when he a producton manager 75-78 credits it's John Nathan Turner so Jon was a bit pretentious when he bacame the big cheese)
The Leisure hive dvd has an interview with him and a period one. in both instances he goes out of his way to criticize the prior producers for cutting corners becuse with Who no one complained and for putting too many jokes in.
In the end his era is so blatently marked by a balze production of it's poor but good enough scripts and production when the advances of technology availalable should have made it a better show.

[jds1911a1]

Yeah, I remember the lack of sound FX made it worse but I wasn't liking the story to begin with, it's lower than Kinda for me. I didn't like any Dalek stories after Genesis, save for "Remembrance"

I think that's becuase almost all the dalek stories since are all SO dependant on Davros (and are basically adaptations on Nation's Destiny of the Daleks plotline which wasn't great to begin with). While the character was a brilliant concept (especially as acted my Michael Wisher in Genesis) it gets old really fast that the daleks have to revive him every time they get in a jam (and promptly turn on him again)

How I wish we could have Dalek stories without him again