What did you think of DW's WARRIORS OF THE DEEP ?

[ctc]

>McCoy's problem was he was literally out of his time.

That's an interesting take. I can see it. In some ways he seemed like an attempt to take the show back to it's more fantastical days. Which is a big part of what I liked about him, he was SOOOO over the top. Very physical, very vaudeville.

>Colin Baker never worked for me, I like to rewatch his stuff now though.

When he first took over I really liked his Doctor. He was DIFFERENT; and I was okay with that. It's interesting to find out nowadays that he wanted to play a much darker Doctor, but the producers kinda waffled back and forth on the idea. I thought an "evil" Doctor was a weird twist, and the idea of the messed up regeneration causing it seemed perfectly plausible to me. I kinda wish they'd taken it farther now; after hearing what Colin originally wanted....

>Even young people don't want to see the Doctor as old as them.
It's just don't feel right.

I'm a little nervous about the new guy, not neccessarily 'cos of his age; but because I have a suspicion where the producers want to go with that. I'm quite okay with old people on tv.

>The relationship with Ace had to have inspired RTD to create Rose.

One of the things that struck me about the McCoy stories is that there was an attempt to add more to the character and his relationships. He was almost a surrogate father for Ace; and they played up on that. Something they really hadn't before. There was even an attempt to flesh Ace out more as a full character. But a lot of these attempts were kinda cryptic. It again seemed like there were two opposing groups working on the show, one group wanting more depth and detail and the other wanting more of the old action/adventure sort of thing. (If you get the chance, read the novelization of "The Curse of Fenric" to see the sort of things that got shaved off.)

When they did the new show it looked like they took this idea and ran with it. Which I thought was cool. It's different, and they had reasons in continuity for the things they did. Nobody fighting it, either.

Don C.

[jds1911a1]

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Davison obviously didn't think much of everything, which is why he left. I blame JNT, JNT, JNT for the overall direction of Davison's tenure. I liked Davison a lot as a change from Baker's final years, where Tom really slowed down due to fatigue and illness.
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and the primarry source of Tom's Fatigue was JNT.

I agree with Mike about Mccoy his stories were often LAME and it's a shame because his timing was excellent. The best acting can't make up for scripts like Delta and the Bannermen, greatest show in the galaxy, or paradise towers. When he is thrown a bone with a good script they were great (battlefield, and rememberence of the Daleks) Even when Davison has a good script (Like Mawdryn Undead) the story leaves me feeling empty. It never occured to me how much the Davison years are like the Hartnell season 2 and 3 stories but they are

[MysteryWho]

So, I never really got an answer from you cats, so I went ahead and watched it.
The tape went kaput during the fourth episode, but I think I got the gist.
I've never been a Davison fan, but I, too, was big on Baker, so it wasn't all his fault.

Seriously, though, did they re-use/dress the sets from Space: 1999 for this?
Seabase 4 looks a heckuva lot like Moonbase Alpha.

I really hate these companions, Turlough and Tegan. They really got on my nerves.
Turlough is a sniveling coward one minute, bold and heroic the next. Make up your mind, Johnny! Incidently, I'm not sure it's a coincidence that Byrne wrote this and that it has that Space: 1999 flavor.
Oh, Tegan, just put on some flats, luv! She's actually limping in a couple of scenes. What people do for bad eighties fashion, I tell you.

The Murka is kinda funny. It would have been much more effective if they'd have kept it
in the dark a little, like on Kolchak. It made me think of a few things.
For one thing, it made me think of Space: 1999 (surprise, surprise). The Beta Cloud robot/beast for example. And those shambling-eyeball things from The Bringers of Wonder.
It also recalled for me the 'landshark' from the original Outer Limits. I can't recall the name right now, but it featured Adam West.
At the same time, though, I EXPECT that sort of thing from Doctor Who. That may even be one of things I like about it.
However, I wasn't expecting Ingrid Pitt to attempt to karate the thing in the corridor. I had to watch that a couple of times to be sure it wasn't a 'cordrazine' hallucination.

Oh, I just remembered another Space: 1999 connection! The guy Maddox was linked to the computer much like Kano was, no?

As for the enemies, I always thought the Sea Devils looked silly, and the Samurai get-up this time around didn't change a thing for me. The Silurians were interesting, what with their headlights blinking when they spoke. That reminded me of classic Trek, ie Excalbians, Nomad. I know that some deep sea fish to have sort of a 'lamp' on their foreheads, but they rarely appear in public, let alone speak, so I can't confirm the connection entirely.

I think that's all I've got. Not one for the ages, but a fun romp even still.

[palitoy]

I went ahead and rewatched it this weekend, while I'm prone to changing my mind on a lot of classic who, this time I'm bang on the money with my 15 year old selfs assesment of it.

The scene where the Myrka is breaking down the foam rubber doors and Tegan becomes trapped under it is worthy of Ed Wood.

The Silurians and Sea Devils look less convincing than they did in the 70s, one Sea Devil is looking at the ceiling during the attack and could they move slower?

I saw the Myrka operators arm in one scene.

Ingrid Pitt attempting to use Kung Fu on the Myrka is freaking cringe worthy.

The sets are nice but of they weren't lit so damned brightly, you'd have some real nice atmosphere here.

[MysteryWho]

Yeah, I can hear Johnny Depp saying "Cut! Print. We're moving on. That was perfect."

The Sea Devils remind of this girl I used to get tea from at a Tim Horton's across the road from where I worked the night shift. She moved slower than anyone I've ever seen, I actually started to think she was in some kind inter-dimensional zone, like the Defiant, but in her universe everything moved more slowly. Another good Star Trek comparison would be the moment before the Scalosian water takes effect. At two in the morning, every minute lasts an hour when you are waiting in line. Being served by her made them last a day.